do you ever randomly remember that Sherlock’s sister and Moriarty tried to dry hump through a glass pane and it was like a whole scene that was actually filmed and exists
The number 57 notoriously recurs in Moffat’s work and this timeline aims to report its mentions.
To note:
The time indicates the airdate.
This timeline is limited to explicit mentions in the dialogue, as this are the only ones that are almost certain to have been intentionally placed by Moffat, and other explicit mentions by Moffat himself.
This timelines excludes mentions of 57 in episodes showrunned by Moffat when they have not also been written by him.
This timeline excludes mentions of numbers similar to 57 (like for example 507), even if they might have been intentionally chosen due to their similarity to it.
2007:
21 july Jekyll: Episode Five
MR. HYDE: 57 years old, ex-smoker, gave up two years ago?
2010:
3 april Doctor Who:
The Eleventh Hour
DOCTOR: Article 57 of the Shadow Proclamation.
2012:
1 january Sherlock: A Scandal In Belgravia
JOHN: 57? SHERLOCK: Sorry, what? JOHN: 57 of those texts, the ones I’ve heard.
Uknown date before 15 january 2012 (since he deleted his Twitter account) Twitter
millieisshort: @Markgatiss @steven_moffat on a scale of 1 to 10, how happy are you to see the fandom suffering already? Steven Moffat: @millieisshort @Markgatiss 57
2013:
23 november Doctor Who:
The Day Of The Doctor: Cinema Intro
THE DOCTOR (11): I just watched the 100th anniversary special, all 57 doctors.
2014:
25 december Doctor Who: Last Christmas
THE DOCTOR: Clara. Give me any two digit CLARA : 57. THE DOCTOR: All right, all of you, turn to page 57and look at the very first word.
2015:
28 november Doctor Who: Heaven Sent
THE DOCTOR: 57 minutes.
2017:
27 may Doctor Who:
The Pyramid at the End of the World
BRABBIT: 11:57 PM. BILL: Yeah, mine too. SECRETARY-GENERAL: It’s everyone’s. 11.57 PM. NARDOLE: Did you get that, sir? Everyone’s phone’s gone to 11:57. DOCTOR: Yep, same here. BILL: What’s, what does that mean, 11:57?
This list may not be complete because I haven’t watched everything Moffat, but just to show you that the number 57 predates BBC Sherlock, so if anything it is probably tied to Moffat as a person.
The DW shakespeare reference is not one of this examples, not even considering Moffat’s showrunned episodes not written by him.
There is no consensus in the DW fandom on 57 being about bisexuality and some believe it is about the mention of ‘time’ in the sonnet. The belief that it was tied to bisexuality was held only by johnlockers and without a certain reason, as the first 126 sonnets are all addressed to a man and to this day, even if I asked more than once, nobody came to me with a source about 57 being more relevant than all the other 126 sonnets to bisexuality.
It’s gonna be hard to answer this on mobile because I can’t link: followers feel free to jump in!
I’m also assuming you are referring to the 57 reference in the (possibly not real) rough draft script?
But wait! There’s more!
The long of it: Mofftiss (maybe just Steven I think?) like to use the number 57 in all of their works. The most obvious is the number 57 used in the Shakespeare episode of doctor who. 10 exclaims “oh, 57 academics just punched the air!” when Shakespeare said something that could reference his bisexuality.
And of course in BBC Sherlock, ASiB (I think) Sherlock’s phone pings 57 times (as counted by john) when Irene texts him. In T6T Mary called John 57 times when she was ready to have the baby but John was with Sherlock (doing something with a jellyfish?? who knows).
I know there was a list/meta that people have made surrounding this, so I’m gonna direct you to my tags:#57, #57 texts, #the number 57. That should bring up anything I have archived surrounding that.
TL:DR; 57 is heavily suggested to be a queer coded number in at least Steven Moffat’s works (possibly also Mark’s…Idr the fandom consensus on that). The fact that it comes up in the rough draft script and made it to the final episode (albeit in a different way) is telling and supports this theory.
Hope this helps and makes sense!
HEY I DONE GOOFED! This is what happens when you try summarize something from memory!
Moffat had nothing to do with the 57 in Doctor Who! He wasn’t with the show yet, Gareth Roberts actually wrote the episode.
For what’s it’s worth: I don’t follow doctor who at all and have literally only seen 9’s entire season and a few random episodes including the Shakespeare one.
Don’t forget that 57 is Shakespeare’s gayest sonnet
It’s gonna be hard to answer this on mobile because I can’t link: followers feel free to jump in!
I’m also assuming you are referring to the 57 reference in the (possibly not real) rough draft script?
But wait! There’s more!
The long of it: Mofftiss (maybe just Steven I think?) like to use the number 57 in all of their works. The most obvious is the number 57 used in the Shakespeare episode of doctor who. 10 exclaims “oh, 57 academics just punched the air!” when Shakespeare said something that could reference his bisexuality.
And of course in BBC Sherlock, ASiB (I think) Sherlock’s phone pings 57 times (as counted by john) when Irene texts him. In T6T Mary called John 57 times when she was ready to have the baby but John was with Sherlock (doing something with a jellyfish?? who knows).
I know there was a list/meta that people have made surrounding this, so I’m gonna direct you to my tags:#57, #57 texts, #the number 57. That should bring up anything I have archived surrounding that.
TL:DR; 57 is heavily suggested to be a queer coded number in at least Steven Moffat’s works (possibly also Mark’s…Idr the fandom consensus on that). The fact that it comes up in the rough draft script and made it to the final episode (albeit in a different way) is telling and supports this theory.
Hope this helps and makes sense!
HEY I DONE GOOFED! This is what happens when you try summarize something from memory!
Moffat had nothing to do with the 57 in Doctor Who! He wasn’t with the show yet, Gareth Roberts actually wrote the episode.
For what’s it’s worth: I don’t follow doctor who at all and have literally only seen 9’s entire season and a few random episodes including the Shakespeare one.
SteMo is NOT the person responsible for the 57 reference in the DW episode ‘The Shakespeare Code’
This was before his tenure as showrunner when RTD was the person who was in charge. And Gareth Roberts was the writer of this episode. That doesn’t mean it’s not a bisexuality reference and a DW reference and honest I love SteMo but let’s not give him credit for stuff he hasn’t done. DW existed before The Moff.
It’s gonna be hard to answer this on mobile because I can’t link: followers feel free to jump in!
I’m also assuming you are referring to the 57 reference in the (possibly not real) rough draft script?
But wait! There’s more!
The long of it: Mofftiss (maybe just Steven I think?) like to use the number 57 in all of their works. The most obvious is the number 57 used in the Shakespeare episode of doctor who. 10 exclaims “oh, 57 academics just punched the air!” when Shakespeare said something that could reference his bisexuality.
And of course in BBC Sherlock, ASiB (I think) Sherlock’s phone pings 57 times (as counted by john) when Irene texts him. In T6T Mary called John 57 times when she was ready to have the baby but John was with Sherlock (doing something with a jellyfish?? who knows).
I know there was a list/meta that people have made surrounding this, so I’m gonna direct you to my tags:#57, #57 texts, #the number 57. That should bring up anything I have archived surrounding that.
TL:DR; 57 is heavily suggested to be a queer coded number in at least Steven Moffat’s works (possibly also Mark’s…Idr the fandom consensus on that). The fact that it comes up in the rough draft script and made it to the final episode (albeit in a different way) is telling and supports this theory.
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