Tag: commentary

So glad it’s bullshit weekend otherwise known as con time lol. Already read some total bullshittery from Marks mouth about just being sloppy and making mistakes and like….while I’ve personally given up on more to save my sanity…I don’t buy it for one second this crew was that bad. Like because if all the things were legit mistakes then that crew has zero business working in the TV industry. Zero. We may never get an answer but I feel like every excuse they say is a giant lie. They can rot

welovethebeekeeper:

1895itsallfine-deactivated20181:

I hate them. I want to ignore it all. And yes it’s believable that they made some mistakes but for that many people to make that many seems ridiculous.

First it was a leak of TFP so they could blame low viewing figures on it. Now it’s genuine set mistakes or fans reading too much into it. They pulled a bait and switch, now it’s all about covering their asses. 

moonlightlock:

miadifferent:

isitandwonder:

deliriouslylazyafternoons:

mariowasd:

teapotsubtext:

they’re telling people at sherlocked that they got a new skull painting and that tfp looked like that becuase the show has such a small budget

They could have done an episode completely playing in the walls of 221 and still have a better result than tfp. 

And an island, a helicopter, a violin double, an explosion, a well, a burning house and an umbrella-sword-gun is not really a small budget to me. 

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If you can’t afford something to look good (especially in a show like Sherlock, famous for its style and design, its make-up winning awards) – don’t do it at all. Rewrite an EP if you run out of money, cut the special effects before embarrassing yourself! Sherlock didn’t need helicopters and explosions – at least the show I fell in love with didn’t.

yep.

the show we fell in love with, they didn’t want it anymore *sigh*

impossibleleaf:

swimmingfeelsinajohnlockianpool:

sherlockians-get-bored:

What if Mofftiss aren’t lying? What if the budget for this series was lower than normal? Maybe that caused them to put less effort into the scripts because they knew they couldn’t afford any better this series.

If that was the problem why announce S4 for 2017 if they knew it was going to backlash? Yes we were going to grumble about it but what can you do? Also following the narrative you previously established doesn’t need money…

Or, if you’re competent at your job, you don’t put yourself in a position where you need a ton shit of money.

I know it’s a ridiculous concept but you do with what you have. You think you won’t have enough money for TFP? Well, you can:

Sherlock also makes a shit ton of money and also the average per episode budgets of $2.67 million (BBC’s Sherlock. Episodes per season: 3. Total annual budget: $8 million. BAFTAs: 3. Filming location: London). That in itself makes Sherlock one of the most privileged show when it comes to funding (or at least when it comes to the BBC).

Also, when you have such a popular and bankable which goes with events like cons, selling props for ridiculous prices, you don’t lower the budget of said show, you RAISE IT.

Are you trying to sell us:

  • That they didn’t use product placement and that no company proposed to give us props for advertising, like, oh I don’t know Mr. Blue Skull? You never once thought to buy one or ask to have one as a marketing move? That sherlockunravelled’s tumblr is free advertising done out of their good heart and not part of a marketing deal?
  • They decided with the budget they had to do two episodes with a relatively correct budget for a Sherlock episode, do an extremely good and extraordinarily expensive montage for Sherlock’s deductions about the paper with Faith outside, and just say ‘oh well, our crowning work the episode we are the most proud of since like ever will have whatever we managed to salvage?’
  • That they were so out of it buying a new lamp for that hellish skull wasn’t possible? No, we couldn’t go to TESCO and buy a new one on sale, too broke.

This is lousy work, it’s so lousy they should be hiding in shame for trying to sell us they can’t manage to handle their budget and whining ‘Daddy didn’t give us enough pocket money’.

fyi

impossibleleaf:

sianbrooke:

impossibleleaf:

totallysilvergirl:

starlitsecrets:

The point isn’t that John is thrown a rope despite being chained to the bottom of the well. The point isn’t that they managed to leap to safety from an exploding flat. The point isn’t that Mycroft, previously referred to as the ice man, is terrified and repulsed to the point of vomitting. The point isn’t that we never saw the contents of John’s letter. The point isn’t that the timeline for Eurus meeting Moriarty doesn’t actually make sense within the previously established narrative. The point isn’t that a kid went missing and no adult authority thought to check in the nearby well. The point isn’t that John’s hair grew seemingly overnight. The point isn’t Sherlock failing to notice missing glass. The point isn’t that John strong moral principle Watson could have an affair and beat his best friend to a pulp. The point isn’t that we never found out who the “mutual friend” was. The point isn’t that there was a dog bowl. The point isn’t that paper somehow survived the flat going up in flames.

The point is that all these things happened together. There isn’t just one singular thing to look at and go “that’s why series 4 sucked”, it’s all of these inconsistencies put together. I just keep seeing people say things like “omg obviously we didn’t need to see John getting unchained to know that it happened” and “would people get over the fucking letter, it wasn’t important what it said its just about the drama” and I’m like that’s totally valid if we were just looking at any one (or even a couple) of these things happening throughout this series. But we’re not. All of these things happened. Yes people are making a big deal out of little things, but it’s because when you actually add up the amount of little things…well turns out that list isn’t actually that little.

This series displayed some truly lazy writing, and not on a small scale.

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I completely agree with everything.

Still, let’s see if we can bring some sense into this together:

  • on John being thrown a rope despite being chained to the bottom of the well, we can suspect that someone went down that well to unchain him and that’s what they actually wanted us to believe
  • they managed to leap to safety from an exploding flat. Oops. Can’t do it.
  • The point isn’t that Mycroft, previously referred to as the ice man, is terrified and repulsed to the point of vomitting. A facade? It’s one thing to have intellectually made a choice and being faced to their consequences. But then again, that’s an excuse.
  • we never saw the contents of John’s letter. Still hoping we will see its content, because I think this’d be interesting
  • the timeline for Eurus meeting Moriarty doesn’t actually make sense within the previously established narrative. It can make sense, if this christmas five years ago refers to the one during ASiB and his former imprisonment refers to THoB (who happened apparently somewhere during ASiB),
  • The point isn’t that a kid went missing and no adult authority thought to check in the nearby well. Sure, doesn’t make sense, but then again, everyone is stupid
  • The point isn’t that John’s hair grew seemingly overnight. No comment
  • The point isn’t Sherlock failing to notice missing glass. …he’s dumb
  • The point isn’t that John strong moral principle Watson could have an affair and beat his best friend to a pulp. He’s a traumatized army doctor who has trust issues, he can snap and have an episode. It’s not forgivable but it can be understandable
  • The point isn’t that we never found out who the “mutual friend” was. At this point, it must have been Moriarty.
  • The point isn’t that there was a dog bowl. Sherlock told her he thought Redbeard was a dog, she’s trolling him
  • The point isn’t that paper somehow survived the flat going up in flames. No comment.

Basically, our problems aren’t so much these inconsistencies shows that there is lazy writing, it’s that some contradictions cannot be solved.

So basically, our real problems lie here:

  • They managed to leap to safety from an exploding flat.
  • Mycroft, previously referred to as the ice man, is terrified and repulsed to the point of vomitting.
  • John’s hair grew seemingly overnight. No comment
  • Sherlock failing to notice missing glass.
  • Paper somehow survived the flat going up in flames.

The point isn’t even that there are too many inconsistencies, it’s that they turned their back of what they established for three seasons. It’s that, for how clever the people working on set wants us to believe they are, for how obsessed they are with details, they’re letting enormous gaffes slip. Many of them. And it’s not our job to try to salvage their mess, to find explanations for every little thing they messed up with.

We also have unfired Chekov’s gun that aren’t on this list:

  • what about Ajay’s injury? A quick study proves he didn’t kill the woman
  • Ajay, Gabriel, Rosamund, Alex. We know what happened to Alex, Rosamund and Ajay, but where the fuck is Gabriel?
  • romantic attachment would complete Sherlock as a human being?
  • Okay, I’ll put John’s letter here
  • appointment in Sumatra, what was the point?
  • Can Samarra be avoided?

Continuity errors too:

  • since when does Mycroft call John ‘Dr Watson’? It was always John since TGG.
  • Why would Mycroft ask him to look after Sherlock?

This is a utter mess and yes, it is cumulative. We aren’t paid to resolve this, but it was their job to make a good season without all of those msitakes.

And considering these gems they give about ACD lore, former adaptations and a keen attention for detail and love for their job (like that bloody skull) we need to tell them something important.

Stop focusing on details when this happens. Because, right now, they can’t see the forest for the trees.

Also to add to the “content of letter doesn’t matter what matters is drama” point: the content of the letter MATTERS to Sherlock’s reaction. Omitting the letter and only having Molly say John doesn’t want to see Sherlock gets the point across quite clearly. What does John’s letter accomplish that this action doesn’t already?

There are a lot of things that don’t quite add up throughout the series, but S4 has a ginormous amounts of nonsense packed together. And honestly? You can chalk up a noise outside your window as a stray cat crashing at your boxes, but you can’t gloss over a racket that goes on for eight hours per day for a week. You’ve got to figure out what causes it. Stop rationalising the ghost. Start investigating if it’s a burglar.

Oh believe me, I have many things to say about the letter.

Because it should have lost any meaning by now. Whether we like it or not, any problem that happened between them in TST should have been solved with TLD. Watching how it reacts to it now should be meaningless because whatever John wrote should now be ‘in the past’. Carry on, it’s useless.

‘What does John’s letter accomplish that this action doesn’t already?‘ Nothing, and that’s the point. We spend a whole episode where the two barely interact. Sherlock deletes his texts, John doesn’t answer his phone, Sherlock doesn’t read the letter to our knowledge. There is no genuine communication except the memory stick and even that happens off-screen.

I think this is an unfired Checkov’s gun and that we will see it again. But that, whatever is inside, will be a major game-changer. That’s the only way it can come back.

We have too many inconsistancies to not call it a pattern within S4.

You’re right, we need to investigate the murder. Time to figure out what is the cause of all of this, that’s the only way we’ll make it stop. Thankfully, we’re not the police.

We just lack the arrogance to ignore details.

Amanda has said the “jewish lady on plane” scene was written because she and her buddy, Gatiss, used to joke around bts doing accents. I personally think this friendship, following the split, caused Martin to be pushed to the outer, with consequent favouring of Amanda.

ravenmorganleigh:

yorkiepug:

cumbler-tumbler:

isitandwonder:

obliquity-of-the-ecliptic:

cumbler-tumbler:

mathildalocks:

yorkiepug:

Oh Nonny, I have had this thought more than once as well. They added a pointless scene just so AA and Gatiss could have a laugh. I DO think her friendship with him is part of the reason her role got boosted and they tried to “make her a star.” I think it backfired on them. They took away from what people actually watch the show for, ya know Sherlock and John and their relationship, and replaced it with the Adventures of Assassin Mary. Low and behold they had the worst season of the show EVER, which was pretty much universally disliked (yes I know there are folks that liked it, good for you).  Most people I talk to, friends, fans, casuals, can’t stand Mary and don’t understand why the show took such a stupid turn. I know I have zero desire to ever watch S4 ever again. I think most people have an understanding that if you title the show Sherlock and then promise that it’s about Sherlock and John and their relationship, your expectation is that it will actually BE about Sherlock and John and their relationship. Not BBC Mary. Shame on Mofftiss for the bait and switch.

Completely agree @yorkiepug you can’t force chemistry, you can’t force someone to be a star. It is sometimes in the little moments that a person mesmerizes you. For me it was Lara puller and loo Brealey even though they initially did not have big roles, especially Loo but they impressed me with their acting. They didn’t need extra scenes written for them. I was an Amanda supporter all along but this overshadowing aspect really bothered me. The set lock changed, the public interviews changed. Both Martin and Benedict became much more guarded. At the same time, Amanda willingly interacted with the fandom. Bringing issues to their attention which did not bode well. Fandom should not be dealt with for personal recognition. It is a force of its own. But trying to channel it to complain about things she did not approve of, starting with slash fan art to people clueing set lock photos, it was really counterproductive. It also brought Martin and Benedict on set chemistry to people’s attention unnecessarily. I did not like how they handled the whole thing after season 3 and I think it is achingly visible.Moffat and Gatiss, nepotism is alright but rewiring everything according to nepotistic priorities, NOT ALRIGHT!

Yeah, there was probably something going on there. All those interviews after Mary was introduced, hinting that AA was going to be a big part of “Sherlock” from then on… and most of us didn’t like the sound of that. There is no way anyone but Gatiss, Abbington, and possibly Moffat wanted Mary to be such a big deal in the show. They got stuck on some weird idea about how important she had to be and forgot to think of why any of their loyal viewers would actually *want* such a thing to happen. 

I’m sure a few people were fine with it once it was a fait accompli, but surely no one, ever, thought the show needed such a big dose of Mary that we all would end up choking on it.

Here’s the thing I’ve never understood: nobody in tjlc EVER wanted Mary to be a prominent character. Yet EVERYONE wanted her to be The Big Bad.

You literally could never have both. So what’s the issue?

Personally I hate season 4. But like. There’s always been a disconnect for me between fandom THEORIES and fandom DESIRE.

Mary could have been a great main character. The problem isn’t that she was given a big role. The problem was what that role turned out to be.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. Nor everyone wanted Mary to be a big bad. Honestly, I really didn’t care much for her at all. I didn’t want John Watson to have a wife, and if he must have one, she should vanish as soon as possible with as little impact as possible. Sad marriage, cheating, divorce – fine. Her being killed or being bad would still have given her way too much room in Sherlock’s and John’s life. That’s not what a Holmes/Watson adaption needs – being laden with the burden of an evil wife, out for revenge, or a dead wife, made into a saint.

Aside from Johnlock, when I watch a Sherlock Holmes adaption, I care for Sherlock Holmes and John Watson, their dynamic, their friendship, evolving through thrilling adventures and crime solving. I don’t care much for Hudders, Mycroft, Adler or any other canon character that was blown out of proportion on this show. And certainly not for Mary Watson or any other wife.

As for baddies – there are aplenty found in ACD canon. Not just Moriarty. Culverton Smith, for example, Adalbert Gruner, John Clay, Milverton, Abe Slaney, Dr. Grimesby Roylott,
Eustace Brackenstall

and so on. All great stories that could have been updated to modern times with a strong female element, as most of their victims are female, some resonating with today’s issues like the grooming done by Gruner in Illoustrous Client – and sometimes women, like in Abbey Grange, are also involved in the killing, if you need a more ambiguous element.

There simply was no narrative need for Mary. Her story was inconclusive, her motivation illogical, her character rather boring – because we knew virtually nothing about her, and what little we knew always changed. Plus it was clear from the beginning that she would leave eventually, for Doctor Watson’s wife isn’t really present in the original stories. So why should I as a viewer have got invested into her? Because she was Freeman’s partner and started to tweet with fans?

In retrospect, Mary is one big factor that destroyed the show. I wished I’d seen that clearer earlier.

Oh, and that plane scene wasn’t even funny or well acted. It was boring, too long and slightly embarrassing – like Mary’s whole arc.

Some of us speaking here were not part of TJLC, by the way. I’m speaking as a huge S1 & 2 fan who resented the enormous impact of the Mary character from the get-go in S3. 

Personally, I think people wanted her to turn into a bigger baddie than she was only because it would justify the emphasis that was immediately placed on her. When you introduce a third major character in a show that viewers thought had a two-person relationship at the heart of it (and that’s based on a canon in which Mary Morstan is only a blip), naturally they are going to be thinking there was an exciting reason why that character was brought in. It turns out there really wasn’t one; it was just a standard Moffat twist in the existing show universe.

So much good stuff here. First of all, TJLC or not, shipping Johnlock or not Mary was a HUGE blight on the show. I don’t care if you thought John and Sherlock were just friends or if you shipped them, she got in between and in the way of the duo that we all watch the show for and obliterated it. No Sherlock Holmes and John Watson should ever treat each other the way BBC’s version did, it was ghastly. And tho I know there are people who actually liked S4 (how??) I honestly don’t give two shits about them because this is my post and my blog and I hated it.

I never wanted Mary in the show. I agree we didn’t need her. When they announced AA as Mary I assumed they did it on purpose thinking that it would be an easier pill to swallow with her being Martin’s RL partner. I didn’t like Mary from TEH on, I thought she came off poorly, I know they were going for “cute and spunky” so I wasn’t overly shocked when it turned out she was “bad.” Since they made her shoot Sherlock I was all on board with the Villain Mary theories, I mean what else could they even DO with her?? She shot and killed Sherlock? She lied to and manipulated John?? There’s no coming back from that.

Well apparently TPTB thought a redemption ark that made no sense and a personality constantly changing were a better fit for Mary. TST was the most boring Sherlock episode EVER. I literally was checking the time and playing with my phone through the whole episode. I care about John and Sherlock and want a show about THEM. If they wanted to make BBC Mary they should have made a spin off of her adventures instead.

I honestly don’t know if Mofftiss are planning a S5. I have my doubts since they are working on their “exciting new project” together. I don’t know how much I’ll care when and if a S5 happens. I know if Mary is for any reason still around there’s no way in hell I’d watch it.

I just want to add an UH-HUH! to the conversation. 

I’m convinced that Mofftiss don’t see John as an equal to Sherlock. They don’t care about his backstory, his established characterization in the books or what he’s capable of doing. It is the biggest crime in adaptation history.

thelanding:

impossibleleaf:

inevitably-johnlocked:

mysteryandtea:

inevitably-johnlocked:

Yeah, I’m starting to think that as well Nonny, especially since they literally replaced his role as the storyteller with Mary. And HEY guess whose backstory we got instead? Mary. And guess who took over John’s (and essentially Sherlock’s) role as partner / detective? Mary. Like I feel like they decided Mary was indeed more important than John ever was. AND it’s even more frustrating for me because they WERE building Mary up to be an exciting villain, and instead made her a terrible plucky … whatever the hell they ruined her to be. Bleh. I fear that they really DON’T value the Holmes/Watson dynamic. Which is so bizarre given what we had pre-S4, because it WAS all about their relationship, even when Mary was there. So I don’t get why suddenly John was relegated to a side character and Mary had more screen time dead than John did in all three eps. *sighs*

It’s especially weird because Moftiss did interviews where they basically said that the John/Sherlock friendship was the heart of all the Holmes stories and why the stories are so popular. So why they would suddenly do essentially a 180 on that, I have no idea. My only explanation for S4 at this point is “2016 was a slow slide into an alternate universe & also affected Moftiss’s brains” lol.

LOL, yeah. That’s why I was so confused too. Their relationship is so important to them that they felt they had to tear it apart, it makes no sense at all.

I’m barely joking when I say that Mary is a virus. She’s infected the story and made herself essentiel by taking the place of another (John).

She is John in TST, that’s the whole point and reason why she and John are OOC.

The only part she’s failed is that Sherloc doesn’t listen to her when they’re with Norbury and that’s why he died: he didn’t listen. And even that, Sherlock will ignore Vatican Cameo in TFP.

We can say without much sacarsm that they could have killed John instead and we wouldn’t have seen the difference.

I mean, wouldn’t that have been perfect?

Mary is:

  • a nurse where he was a doctor;
  • a former assasin where he was a soldier;
  • someone Sherlock wants to protect;
  • his conductor of light in TST;
  • the one telling him how to act with people;
  • the one telling their story;
  • a Watson.

It’s always Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson to the audience, so what if it’s Mary and not John? Mary is better, John is a cheater, wouldn’t that have been karmic justice? She is loyal, not him! As she’s a woman, Moffat could make her seek comfort with Sherlock and voila! Your Holmes/Watson you so desperatedly craved, you sick shippers.

It’s insiduous, but Mary has destroyed John without even killing him.

That’s why we need to go back to a John’s POV, immediately. He needs his journey to find himself again and take his place in the Circle of Life in the story back.

crying nervously

I know you two; and if I’m gone, I know what you could become.

TFP

I know that many people dislike that Mary is given the last word in TFP. I, too, would have wished someone else had spoken those words. But the fact that a character who (for many fans) is not likable or not perceived as worthy is chosen to speak those words does not mean that the words as such are not important or valid. 

In BBC Sherlock many essential truths are spoken by villains which does not make them less valid. I would even go so far and say that more truths are spoken by villains than by John. Just think how often John is wrong about Sherlock (”He’s not like that. He doesn’t feel things that way” /  “But why would he care? He’s Sherlock. Who would he
bother protecting?”). 

Villains usually tell the truth in this show, especially where Sherlock is concerned. 

  • “But we both know that’s not quite true.”
  • “Oh, and somebody loves you.”
  • “Look at us both.”
  • “But look how you care about John Watson.”

So coming back to the above quote – what does it mean? What can they become? They have been shown as partners, friends, best friends, groom/best man, father/godfather, family – there is only thing that is missing here. And while I am not sure if these words are given to Mary because the writers love her so much or because villains usually tell the truth, in the end it does not really matter. What matters is that they are spoken loud and clear. 

Weiterlesen

(via gosherlocked)

Yes, absolutely @gosherlocked   These words are spoken loud and clear. They are there for everyone to hear who wants to hear them. After flatmates, colleagues, friends, best friends, family …. what’s left what Sherlock and John could become? What they could only become after the death of John’s wife? Really! What???

(via ebaeschnbliah)

I’ve reached a point, in fact since some weeks after TFP (my initial reaction
to TFP was “it’s shit, but at least there’s canon johnlock“ immediately
followed by “it’s shit and johnlock isn’t undeniable AT ALL and it’s
unfulfilling in too many ways, so fuck that”), where there’s no doubt in
my mind anymore that s4 ends at a point where johnlock is canon and
I’ll calmly disregard anything that Mofftiss say or do to deny this
(they can keep their baiting game for themselves, I’m not playing),
because they’ve written it and that’s finished in my mind. It’s
dispassionate surface reading. It’s what you’ve mentioned and several
other maybe subtle but definitely textual details, especially from the
hug onwards.

I don’t even care anymore, that show was a mess
and my johnlock happiness is out of the BBC’s control, but I’m unable to
unsee how canonical it is in that adaptation. As a matter of fact, the
more detached I become, the more clearly I see it. S4 is still terrible
and there’s still queerbaiting because it should be explicit and
undeniable, but it is what it is– Diet Canon Johnlock, sort of.

(via moonlightlock)

HeeyYou know what upsets me?I think i could live with TFP being bad better, if at least TST would have been good. I can think, that with TFP it was just a terrible idea + horror (I don’t think Johnlock/Better treatment of Molly/ to give John something to do etc. could have saved that episode), but TST could have been at least “good”. If they just would have given J and S actually scenes alone together, them solving crimes and not just Mary and/or Mary with Sherlock. I still can’t believe they…

inevitably-johnlocked:

mistressholmes:

inevitably-johnlocked:

k-s-morgan:

gryssenielsen:

inevitably-johnlocked:

wasted an episode on Marys spy stuff. We know more about Mary, then about John and John was so terrible reduced that episode, we didn’t even know why he cheated (the 2nd MAIN character). I just feel like it could have been sooooo much better 😦 and it angers me that they wasted that episode with too much action and nonsense (“It’s never twins” sounded like, it was just there, so we could go: “oh, i heard that before! HOW CLEVER!!!”)…

… Why in hell did they think that it would be a good idea to completely waste 2 episodes with backstories (the only backstory that interested me was Johns -.-), when they call the show a detective drama/show about a detective (what had TST to do with that??!!). They should promote it as family drama with cameos by John. And like i think if TST would have been “normally good”, TLD as brilliant as it was (my fave ep) and TFP terrible, then the backlash from fans and critics wouldn’t be soo bad

Hey Nonny!

Yeah, I think despite how beautiful it looks, T6T’s biggest flaw was making Mary the central character and pushing the TWO MAIN CHARACTERS off to the side as sidekicks. It was a horrible, horrible mistake, and if they did it to “make Mary more likeable” they failed miserably.

Lines were recycled, previous plot points brushed under the rug, scenes were repeated but never explained to us what for, and things were introduced but never talked about or discarded completely (the letter, Sherlock’s use of twitter, baby Watson…). Characters were all OOC, and literally no one cares about Mary’s backstory. They didn’t need to establish her character anymore because they made her a villain in S3 but then it felt like they were trying to amend that for some unknown reason, and then essentially destroyed the relationship of John and Sherlock completely, which was so freaking asinine.

TLD was probably the best of the three, but even that, all the characters were so wildly ooc and the episode was terribly uncomfortable for many to watch (but again, it was a cinematically beautiful episode) but also left so many threads loose. And then TFP SHOULD HAVE EXPLAINED EVERYTHING, but instead it does a wild 180 from everything else, and literally looks cheap, feels cheap, and lazily written.

I personally think the biggest fault with S4 was TFP, but T6T’s incoherent storyline and absurd turn to literally destroy Sherlock and John as a force to be reckoned with, PLUS making the WHOLE episode about Mary is probably more unforgiveable. I don’t blame anyone other than the writers for this.

And thus the show ‘Sherlock ‘ died. Killed by its own creators. So sad. And the most tragic fact? That Mofftiss thought it to be sooo good. They should go to ‘Rotten tomatoes’ and see the score, and then go to a mirror and look into it and then ask themselves….and learn from it….’What went wrong?” Or they could just ask their (former) fan-base. We would be happy to tell them! 😉

Also, TST was boring. Really, really BORING. I barely sat through it. At least TLD was somewhat entertaining, and I laughed like crazy at TFP.

Yes, it was very boring. Which bothers me so much because I love Rachel’s job on the episode (it looks so beautiful), but even the “funny” parts weren’t funny because I was too busy trying figure out what the hell was going on and why Mary was the central character. It’s such a shame.

I excepted TST and TLD because I thought it will all be explained it TFP.
I even expected Mary as the central character because I assumed after all that back story that Mofftiss wanted to tell everyone how bad she really was so everyone in turn would want to see John and Sherlock happy together.
As well as I had the feeling after TLD everything was supposed to lead us to Johnlock.
I mean they have shown us that John couldn’t stop thinking about Sherlock (he talks in his head to his recently past away wife only ever about Sherlock… I mean come on), they made it absolutely clear that neither John nor Sherlock can cope/live without the other, THAT super emotional hug and John’s whole Irene – but I really talk about you and me – sociopath- speech.
And than came TFP … and it literally ripped my heart out because there were no explanation at all, no logical continuity, no logic at all really. More holes like a Swiss cheese, they turned everything upside down we knew so far… and on top queerbaiting everywhere. Like they wanted it to hurt as much as possible.
So to me TFP is like a deathly virus.

Oh, yeah, I’m not excusing TFP either, since it’s all over the board and should have rounded out the narrative.

Do you know why so many disliked season 3 of Sherlock? I personally loved it because of the character development, but I guess Mary played a part? 🤔 Thanks Steph! Have a lovely day :)

impossibleleaf:

sarahthecoat:

inevitably-johnlocked:

Hey Nonny!

Honestly I DON’T because I LOVE S3 – it’s my favourite season – but I DO think it’s because Mary plays a huge part of it. S1 and S2 was a lot more Sherlock-and-John, a lot more adventure oriented, a lot more just the two of them… and it was all from John’s POV, and I think a lot of people misread Sherlock’s character and hated the way they softened him in S3 when he always was a big softy. See, I love S3 because it is from Sherlock’s POV and we get to see his inner complex thoughts and workings, and we get to see just how much he adores and idolizes John (I mean, John is just SO GORGEOUS in S3, and I think that’s because the camera is supposed to be from Sherlock’s POV, so John in turn looks beautiful). That would be my guess; I think they also believe John’s character changed, whereas I don’t believe he did at all – because we’re in Sherlock’s POV, we’re seeing how SHERLOCK perceives John, but he clearly picks up on John’s admiration for him (TSo3 and TAB are the most obvious).

But yes, I do believe MARY is the BIGGEST point against S3, and in the wake of S4, we’re seeing just how pointless her role and characterization was in S3 since they literally did nothing with it at the end of it all. They were building her up to be an interesting exciting villain and in the end nothing came of it.

I dimly recall enjoying watching the episodes the first time, at my friend’s house who had a tv. We laughed and gasped and squealed in probably most of the right places. But immediately afterward, we started noticing all the things that didn’t make sense, and the “plots” collapsed like houses of cards. So that was annoying and frustrating, and only some of that was “fixed” by meta analysis.
TEH was packed with fake lying BS from one end to the other, and ymmv but i don’t enjoy that. TSOT was trying to come off as a wacky rom-com or something, but “mary” is just creepy, and sherlock is clearly heartbroken, so, no. HLV, i never wont to see again. SUPER creepy/rapey villain, the absolutely nonsensical shooting (s) etc, again, just NO. I wasted my money on the dvd set, learned my lesson there: do not preorder. Did not make that mistake again.
“Mary” is definitely a big part of what ruined s3-4 for me, but not all of it. I nearly liked her for two whole weeks. A bigger factor was feeling disrespected as a fan, the nonsensical “plots”, the all hurt no comfort, and the simple lack of enjoyment on the part of the CHARACTERS. Gone were the moments like giggling in the 221b foyer, the “OH” and “brilliant!” and making each other smile and laugh. There was just nothing to savor, the way there had been in s1-2. I get that some people love angst, and I’m happy for them, but i can’t do it unmixed with any resolution. Sherlock being a “softy” is not a problem, he already was.
I wish they had wrapped up “mary” within s3, rather than dragging her thru TAB and s4. Personally, i would have rather spent the time on sherlock and john, their back stories, their relationship, and slightly more plausible cases. Just, a more coherent story would be nice, rather than random chunks of six different WIPs.

I used to love Mary. Then HLV happened.

Mofftiss asked far too much of us. He wants to do a River Song 2.0 but this falls flat. I was told, no, ordered to forgive her for shooting Sherlock. They needed us to believe that she was surgery and at the same time implied that Sherlock never was in any danger.

So what? Moriarty telling Sherlock how he’s going to enjoy death, that meant nothing because he never was going to die? Sherlock punching the ground to start his heart again, that was just him being overdramatic? After all, that was surgery, he didn’t need to do it. So, he didn’t choose to live because he thought John was in grave danger because of that wife?

I would have reluctantly bought the surgery thing if Sherlock hadn’t had thought for 10 whole minutes that the way he needed to fall would change whether or not he’d survive this bullet wound and if he hadn’t crawled his way back to life after the doctor gave up on him.

And what Mary did spoils everything she’s done until then, doesn’t it? And she goes after Sherlock with a gun ready, looking after him with a look that is made to remind you of a hitman on a mission. We spend a third of the episode, the heart of this episode, honest to God thinking she’s going to kill Sherlock.

I could, somehow, have forgiven her. But they should have done it immediately afterwards.

Like, by doing something like that:

They do not drug Mary with the tea. She comes with them, because she is the one being blackmailed and she has her agency. They go to Magnussen’s office and he taunts them (while being reluctantly shifty of Mary but apparently being pregnant and having no gun on youself makes you harmless).

They follow Magnussen and her face literally looses colour when she realizes he has no documents and everything is in his head. She internally freaks out whenever he tells John something about her past because, God, what if John changes his mind?

And he starts flicking his face in front of her and she realizes that she’s put him in danger. That Magnussen can call anyone and they’d go killing her husband and her daughter.

So, when the helicopters start coming, she takes his gun and finally kills him. She tells John and Sherlock to get away from her, that she’s sorry to have put them on this mess and asks John to take good care of their daughter. She says that she did try to kill Sherlock because she’s known about this chain of pressure points business and she just wanted to break the chain and not turn John into a pawn, but she’s sorry. God, she’s sorry because she likes him but she wanted to protect John. Please forgive her, she’s never wanted her past to become their burden.

And she goes on the plane, because she too is too clever to go to prison. So she asks for Sherlock to look after John and the baby who’s now born. And the Moriarty video appears when she’s taken off.

And Sherlock tells Mycroft he’ll only help them if Mary comes back.

Had they done that, I would have cried like baby and forgiven everything.

But I suppose their idea was better than mine.