Tag: fandom

1895-doyle-and-bronte-obsessed:

mylittleshippingblog:

I find it very frustrating to be a lgbtqia+ person in the Sherlock fandom right now because it feels like the Johnlockers have taken over this space and are not allowing anything other than tjlc exist. There are other readings, other possibilities, and they’re not all homophobic and heteronormative, they are not a delusion, they are not impossible. I am poliamorous myself. Seen a lot of positive representation of that, like, anywhere? There is more to representation than that One Single Ship that trumps all others.

Stop bombarding us, harassing us, sneering at us, ridiculing us, throwing nasty sarcasm at us, stop telling us we are wrong, stop presenting yourselves as the only ones who are allowed to be sad.

Let us exist. Let us enjoy. Let us grieve. We aren’t the enemy, we are your own community. A lot of us are angry too, are frustrated too. Things have gone to hell and we need a safe space, a safe lgbtqai+ space, just like you, where we can support each other, cheer each other up, and enjoy what we can after this very disappointing and hard-to-watch s4.

You need to try harder to find ways of expressing our anger that are not based on attacking anyone who disagrees with you. We do not deserve to be attacked in our own fandom. And we know you are being attacked too, people are harassing you, making fun of you, ridiculing you. You know how it hurts. So please, stay away from those who want to harm you, and don’t spread the hate any more. Stand with us and we’ll stand with you. There’s room for everyone.

I haven’t seen any of this, but I try to block out the bad parts of fandom (I know they exist, I’m not trying to say they don’t).
I am angry at the writers for the way they showed violence, misogyny, mental illness and – yes – for the way they queerbaited us. I am angry because of their disrespect.
But I’m not angry at the fandom (well, of course I’m angry at those who come randomly to my posts and tell me to stop whining or those who say wording criticism is a shame for fandom).
The point I’m trying to make is that we all should be careful to think of ourselves as individuals and not only part of a group. I am angry at the people mocking me but that doesn’t mean I’m angry at everyone disagreeing with me.
I think we should try to make the Sherlock fandom a more respectful and respected place again. I’m proud of so many things tjlc-ers have achieved and I want to be proud of tjlc and this fandom in general but there is behaviour I’m ashamed for and I think such behaviour throws a shadow of the beautiful things that happen in fandom every day.
I am proud to consider myself a part of tjlc because of the good things that came out of it, I want to stay proud.

What did rachel talalay say about johnlock?

whimsicalethnographies:

pocketcrow:

isitandwonder:

whimsicalethnographies:

treatyoselfparty:

whimsicalethnographies:

treatyoselfparty:

pocketcrow:

ghislainem70:

I assume this is in response to my post yesterday, http://ghislainem70.tumblr.com/post/157298190629/sussexbound-you-know-i-should-probably-clear

The tumblr I was referring to has since been taken down, it was called tjlc_we_need_to_talk, a side blog of scriptscribbles.

Rachel Talalay is also on tumblr.

She said (to scriptscribbles) “I love your blog and how much you are fighting for rationality in #TJLC.”

She also said (to scriptscribbles) “my daughter updates me on your battle with the johnlockers, and we keep up an amused dialogue. Keep it up!”

tjlc_we_need_to_talk stated (in response to gentlewatson) that Rachel Talalay’s encouragement was “a motivating factor” in maintaining the blog.

Receipts: http://isitandwonder.tumblr.com/post/151621770501/you-dont-have-to-believe-in-tjlc-or-johnlock

Well there it is. 

I’m sharing this on both my Granada blog and main blog because I feel people need to be aware that this happened (I was not previously aware Rachel was doing this).

For those who do not already know, a reminder that Rachel Talalay is the person who directed Sherlock Season 4. 

The fact that she has been supporting anti-Johnlock blogs on Tumblr is further proof that there were people in BBC One (including the writers) who really were against Johnlock happening.  Yes,  they really did treat lgbt like a “Joke” and very intentionally.

Yes they really did do that to season 4, it really did happen, there is no Johnlock plan and no they are not sorry.

Granted the way both BBC and the writers systematically reacted to the audience with the rudeness, attempts at erasure and generally dismissive attitudes was warning as it was, but this information really nails the coffin in for me.

There is no secret episode and they really did trash the show as badly as they did with the complete and utter disrespect and belittling of the Garridebs moment as well as the rest of the sexist and heternomative bs.

yeah part of the reason I stopped watching Sherlock is because I knew deep down that Johnlock was just going to be queer baiting and this unfortunately confirms it 

Keep up. It’s fake https://twitter.com/rtalalay/status/832356737017585671

“keep up” bitch shut up I don’t watch the show anymore so I’m not exactly following all the news about it and forgive me for believing that a ship was used as queerbait when its the norm for writers to do that in most tv and movies

You follow it enough to reblog something with a comment LONG after the original post was disproven. In fact, had you checked the comments on the post you reblogged you would have seen it. You don’t have to be actively following it to do that.

Have a nice Friday.

@pocketcrow @whimsicalethnographies @ghislainem70

I delved deep into my archived messages. I am one of the people in the above thread and included that alleged Rachel Talalay tweet in one of my posts. It was during some discussions with and about the blog tjlc-we-need-to-talk (set up by scr1ptscr1bbles), and the ‘answer’ from Rachel Talalay was on their main site scr1ptscr1bbles. Afterwards, this happened:

I deleted it to my knowledge, but of course the reblogs exist. I am usually not for sharing messages, but I wasn’t asked to keep them to myself and now I feel it might shed some light on the issue.

With @dymm contacting Rachel Talalay and her stating that these are not her words, the whole issue starts to get very fishy. I now believe that scr1ptscr1bbles intentionally manufactured this reply but then got afraid that their fraud might spread and therefore asked me to delete my post containing it.

I tried to check it back then and it looked genuine to me, but I’m surely not an internet buff.

This is playing really dirty imo because it discredits third parties just for the sake of looking to be right. Sorry to everyone involved.

And shame on you scr1ptscr1bbles! Even if you asked me to delete it and perhaps understood that you went too far – you shouldn’t have done this in the first place. You were not just an idiot, but mean – to fans and Rachel Talalay. Because you never confessed that you fabricated that message, but instead evoked the impression that you wanted to protect people when you were just lying though your teeth.

Lesson learned – at least by me.

I was really upset by the message and I really wish people would STOP MESSING AROUND with the Johnlock fandom.  As if what BBC and writers did was not bad enough, people do not need to trying to mess with upset people on top of that. 

I REALLY appreciate that Rachel Talalay was nice enough to speak out and debunk this and am glad it is being shared around.

I am VERY thankful to @isitandwonder for keeping us in the loop and letting us know (I had deleted the reblog that included my first response this morning after I found out it was faked and shared Rachel’s response.)

Also, @whimsicalethnographies, the above post was in response to a blog that was shared on my feed yesterday morning, and was disproven by that afternoon from someone sharing the proof otherwise to me. I had since deleted the earlier response so as to try to prevent any further spread of the falsified quote.  Your implication of the post being ‘old’ is full of shit. There are no dates on these blogs (in case you completely and utterly fail to notice).  It looked to be new information (it was certainly new to me) and shared as such.  So stuff it with your implied negative attitude that those of us responding to the news were in any way doing anything was intentional or malicious because it is quite literally bull.

We have VERY valid reasons to be upset.  We have no actual proof that a 4th episode exists yet. None… just speculation.  And then on top of what happened in the show itself, BBC attempted erasure by the way it treated complains and then not reporting on it (while reporting on the few dozen ATY received) and the writers have been explicitly rude in their responses to female Johnlockers.  

Now consider all of this, and then seeing the OP with no indication that it was faked (until afterwards).  Yes.  Seeing that is going to be upsetting (especially as, as far as we knew, it was true information).  You are being incredibly rude and out of line.  

Instead of being rude to people, you can TRY being understanding on exactly why we were upset, be understanding of those who did not know the post was fake and responded as such, and why we would be skeptical of anything else coming out when nothing from -bbc itself- has yet to indicate any intent to offer a fourth episode to fix the forced heteronormative coding that was pushed in TFP.  

People have VERY valid reasons to be skeptical… and then to see something like this with no indication that it was faked, it ends up being tip of the iceberg. Yes, she said it was faked and I am relieved, but that was not shared until after the original post was shared. So enough with being catty and bitchy to bunt-out johnlockers who are upset enough as it is FOR GOOD REASON and you can just take a seat.

They reblogged the post AFTER many of us made comments about it. You can’t see time but you can see order. Conveniently, so many have deleted the originals by now it’s fucky, many without explicitly saying they were wrong (I know you did acknowledge it).  So, that “no time” is pseudo evidence bullshit.  Guess I’m gonna have to start screen shotting everything when I reply to it. 

I get people are upset and angry, but if half of us are expected to take a second and think rationally, everyone else needs to as well.  This was clearly bullshit from a known bullshit spreader who you know wants to hurt you.  Thank goodness Dymm actually asked.

Also, you literally jump on random posts to be salty and act as if you’re the only rational adult in the room, so you don’t get to play “staying in line” especially when I admittedly saltily pointed out it was disproven (in the same tone many of us have experienced from you), and was called a bitch. 

Have a good day. 

Reblogging for comments. I’m keeping the other post I reblogged for reference. I apologize to everyone for not fact checking!

Post has been debunked!

warmth-and-constancy:

teaandqueerbaiting:

cryptolock:

warmth-and-constancy:

I’m hashing out an idea I had this morning on my way to work:

So, at the moment, the showrunners remain largely silent about the backlash that they know is happening and have apparently even anticipated; there’s been no announcement about a fifth series happening or not; there have been winks and hints from Moffat and the Sherlock YouTube channel guy about a fourth episode and plenty of reasons to believe one exists, but nothing concrete has emerged so far, even though the production team is still releasing behind-the-scenes stuff to social media; and we may have an ARG on our hands. We are definitely in a holding pattern, but we have no idea how long this could go on. It is possible that TPTB could be facing the public and talking about their “brilliant” S4 finale before we get anything else.

They are professionals at bullshitting and at keeping secrets, and Moffat and Sue have got the balls to show up at a manga signing, so I’m not convinced that they “have” to reveal something by the time, say, Radio Times Fest rolls around, lest they face hordes of disappointed fans. The disappointed fans (which includes ex-TJLCers, disgruntled casuals like Tammie and Cathy and Susan from the Masterpiece Facebook page, and people like us who think TFP is fake) don’t even want to spend money on the S4 DVD, much less on buying tickets to an event. When it comes to the latter, I think we should.

People in this fandom frequently tell me that I word good, so the idea I had was to put that to some use (apart from writing meta and going off on antis) by compiling a list of trickily worded questions that TJLCers could ask at public Q&A events in an effort to make the showrunners respond with either panicked bullshitting or sincere defensiveness. You know how we always cringe when people start asking questions at public Q&As, and how we all have questions that we wish would get asked, but don’t? Why not create an organized resource so that TJLC questions do get asked? Remember that brilliant “Are we ever going to see Mrs. Turner’s married ones?” question that made them sweat? That’s the idea. Or remember how that one person at Comic Con got that long, eloquent answer out of Moffat about representation of gay characters by asking a question that was basically pointed criticism dressed up as a question? I’m not suggesting that we make Johnlock front and center in our questioning, as that person sort of did, but instead dress up the S4 “backlash” as panel questions. I think it could be useful to have a pre-planned and organized list of community-sourced questions that are not “Why didn’t you make John and Sherlock gay?” or “Is X, Y, or Z going to happen in series 5?” or “What ice cream flavor would series 5 be if it were an ice cream flavor?” but instead “I thought it was interesting how you chose to include A, B, and C in The Final Problem. What went into your decision to write those things into the show in that way? In a previous statement, you said X about them, which differs a lot from what you ultimately chose to do with them.”

I’d create this with, and solicit suggestions, review, and feedback from, trusted and established members of the community – and most importantly, I wouldn’t share it publicly. I’d create a private document away from Tumblr to which I would grant people access once I’d verified that they were legit fandom members with an established fandom presence and with plans to attend Radio Times Fest, or Sherlocked Con, or what have you. That wouldn’t completely prevent the showrunners from being aware of fandom’s criticisms/questions and having prepared responses ready to go, but it would at least protect the element of surprise in terms of the actual questions they’d face. No one would be obligated to ask the questions on the list, but they would be there as a resource for people who really want to ask a question about, for example, obvious visual TAB/TFP parallels in such a way as to make the showrunners aware of what we think/know and require them to either engage with what we think/know or else do some serious Bullshit Improv which could be equally revealing. Previously I would have said “we shouldn’t dig too deep with our panel questions, we don’t want to force them to lie to protect spoilers” but I think in this post-TFP, insane new world, we should apply some fire to their feet about the fakeness of the episode.

Thoughts, positive or negative? Good idea? Bad idea? Is this something people would be interested in? Is there an obvious flaw that I haven’t thought of?

I think this is an excellent idea!  However, the questions definitely have to be crafted carefully, I think the act of seeing them have to think of an answer is more telling than the answer itself.  So anything that would force them to answer a question that doesn’t necessarily put them in a corner, a “I’m calling you out” kind of question, but more of a “the truthful answer to this is obvious to you but it is also obvious to us that the truth would spoil everything, so have fun trying to make this work,” is an approach that would be very fun.

Agreed! They’d have to be questions that would seem normal to the casual viewer, but are really prompting for answers about something that a casual viewer would not necessarily care/know about. Something backhanded in a way like “I like the ‘Adventure of the Three Garridebs’ reference you put in TFP, what inspired you to feature that story plot more heavily than other canon stories?” Only true TJLCers and Holmes fans would know they fucked it up.

This is my idea exactly. Arm people with questions that don’t come off as “I’m calling you out” questions, but instead sort of trip them up with the details of S4 – all those elephants in the room and unfired rifles hanging on the wall. Enough of the “okaaaay, but is Moriarty REALLY dead?” stuff. I want people asking them serious-sounding questions about the thought processes behind their adaptation of The Adventure of the Three Garridebs and what their inspiration was for turning Sherrinford into an island prison and stuff like that. Don’t attack them, just make them defend their choices (or try to defend them). Watch how they react. Get people asking them hard questions instead of asking them to weigh in on whether John will get a dog.

If we’re right about the show self-Reichenbaching, then it’s time for us to ask hard questions. They joked about calling an episode “Backlash.” Let’s make sure that the portion of the backlash that they get directly confronted with reflects the cleverness and observational skills of this fandom. Even if someone is angry with them about queerbaiting and attributes TFP’s badness to the degree to which they no-homoed the relationship between John and Sherlock, surely it would be more satisfying to ask questions that highlight the show-killing consequences of the apparent queerbaiting than to just have YET ANOTHER round of “look, we said multiple times that we were never going to do that,” etc.

ghislainem70:

sussexbound:

You know, I should probably clear something up.  When I am saying that Mofftiss, and Gatiss, in particular, MAY have been partially motivated to write parts of Season 4 the way they/he did, to completely eradicate a johnlock reading (and believe me it was a choice, because you could tell they had to work hard narratively, and erase a ton of prior characterisation just to ensure Sherlock and John were torn apart, and got almost no screen time with just the two of them), I’m not saying that I think that Moffat or Gatiss personally stroll through tumblr reading our blogs, and hating us personally, or even that they give a shit about TJLC specifically.  I’m not that self-centered and delusional, and I don’t even identify as a TJLCer, so I have no personal investment in that sense.  

What I’m saying is that johnlock shipping became a big thing.  It became such a big thing that the press picked up on it, and creators and the show’s leads were having erotic fan art shoved in their faces on every talk show appearance for awhile post S3, and were even asked to read mildly erotic fanfic aloud during S3 promotional events (which was even less fun for fandom creators than it was for anyone involved in the show, let me tell you; there is a special place in hell for people who break the 4th wall by forcing fan-created content on show creators, uncredited and without the fan artist’s permission).  There were aslo people associated with the show who also had very personal issues with this, and chose to engage in very public run-ins with fans on Twitter surrounding the topic (Amanda, for instance, who started conflating johnlock and freebatch for reasons wholly her own).  Further more, when Benedict was doing his TIG Oscar run, a big part of the press strategy to paint him as a family man and serious actor, was to throw his Sherlock fandom under the bus as a bunch of horny, teenage girls, or ridiculous middle-aged women who were out of control, and deserved censure.

So when I say that Mofftiss may have chosen to tone johnlock way down, and no-homo almost all of Season 4 as a means of pushing back against a johnlock reading, that is what I’m talking about.  And when I talk about Gatiss having an impression of johnlock shippers being a bunch of horny, straight girls/women who simply want to objectify gay men, that’s where I think he got it from.  Yes you don’t write to fandom expectation (though it isn’t unheard of), but if you see a segment of your fandom as distasteful, and the press has glommed onto that segment, and that segment alone, and keeps shoving it in your face, and making people involved with the show uncomfortable as a result, you probably do have it in the back of your mind, at the very least, when you are planning and writing.  And I’ll add here that I am absolutely NOT throwing fandom under the bus for this.  This was almost entirely a press issue (though certain cast member’s personal issues, which played out very publicly, and stans running to cast/creators on tumblr to tattle about tumblr fandom goings on, certainly contributed to the problem)

And yeah, I do think Mofftiss thought they were being very clever, or at the very least self-indulgent with TFP.  Moffat admitted as much when he said that this season was just insane wish fulfilment for them.  I do think that stuff about Sherlock’s childhood and backstory was in the back of their minds since the beginning, and that thoughts about introducing a secret, third sibling had been there since Season 3.  I don’t think that they would write something they utterly hated, and put it out there just to spite a few thousand fans on the internet (though there are way more viewers who shipped johnlock on some level than just TJLCers on tumblr, fyi).  They need to make money, and they have multiple international audiences to please.  

So I think they had a lot of goals they wanted to reach this season.  I think that they were afraid they wouldn’t get the chance to make a 5th season.  Many people associated with the show voiced that concern.  So, I think they tried to cram all the ideas they originally had for 6 episodes into 3.  As a result, nothing was really handled with the skill and delicacy it deserved, and nothing was given the time it deserved.  I also think they just got too confident and lazy with their writing (all the scripts came late, which suggests they left them to the last minute).  I feel like they decided to retool the Mary character at the last moment, for some reason (I’ll leave everyone to their own deductions there), and what they ended up with was a bloody mess.

So anyway, yes, there were a myriad of factors at play, but I do think that one of those factors was a desire to damp down johnlock shipping, and I think that was for many reasons, one of those being the creator’s perception of and distaste for johnlock shipping fans, due to press coverage and interaction with creators and cast during the post-S3 period.

In thinking about how we ended up with S4, and also feeling, as @sussexbound does and many others, that a part of the decision to “redeem” Mary and to keep John and Sherlock “bros” and far apart (so far apart that it’s been devilishly difficult to find good frames of them together for editing purposes, mostly I get the back of John’s head when he’s allowed in the same frame as Sherlock at all), I keep coming back to the interview Mark Gatiss gave in Gay Times February 2011. I’m sure we have all read it but it really says it all in terms of how he views the online fanwork creating and consuming fandom:

“The obsession, particularly online, with the homoerotic tension between Sherlock and Doctor Watson… The template for us was [TPLOSH], which deliberately plays with the idea that Holmes might be gay. We’ve done the same thing, deliberately played with it although its absolutely clearly not the case. He’s only a brain, ‘everything else is transport’ to him and John clearly says ‘I’m not gay, we’re not together.’ . . [Today people] assume they’re lovers. That’s obviously such fun to play with…What’s amazing is, it doesn’t matter how many times you say they’re not going to kiss, they’re not together, they love each other but that’s the point, its the single most imperishable friendship in the whole of English literature that’s the way it works, it’s totally unspoken that they love each other in a way that men can do but they’re not gay for each other. But it doesn’t matter how many times you say that, an entire forest of dirty fiction [*n.b. this, from the author of The King’s Men!*] has arisen as a result. And long may it continue, I don’t know what it’s about. (On not having read any of that particular fiction:) I honestly haven’t because that way madness lies [laughs], I’m very aware of it, God I’m aware of it because people come and talk about it every time we do any kind of event… Anything like that has a kind of slash element and its an interesting thing because you’re brought up on the idea that heterosexual men get off on the notion of lesbians but the flip side of it is just as powerful, particularly I think for girls of a certain age. The idea of two sexy men getting it on is a really powerful aphrodisiac.”

The infamous BFI screening mentioned in this post was also the event where the Q & A moderator exchanged contemptuous texts with friends before the event, deeming the largely female fans queueing up as “virgins.” That was just the beginning of a debacle that had Mark Gatiss sneering magesterially as BC and MF stumbled through the fanwork reading thrust upon them under false pretenses.

Things only went downhill from there as between the creators and the online fan community, culminating in the withanaccent article. Many fans probably don’t know that prior to S4 airing, the director of Ep 1 TST publicly supported a tumblr that was set up for the sole purpose of trying to “educate” johnlockers and especially tjlc-ers as to the error of their ways. Turns out we should have seen that as a clear sign of things to come by the end of S4.

I’m not making this post to say we should have seen it coming. There were a thousand ways that fans were misled by acting, directing, editing, costuming, music, and set design. But I think we have to agree that the evidence is there for those who review our history to see that S4 was indeed in part intended to be a direct refutation of the vision for Sherlock and johnlock that so many of the the largely female online fan base hoped for.

marcespot:

jenna221b:

nerfherding-smuggler:

HOLY SHIT okay, in the vivala.me video the woman mentions the number 16,676, which is oddly specific, you know. then i realized that it could be a date, so i spent some time googling 16/6/76, until i finally found this:

 i mean seriously, how could this just be a coincidence???

@worriesconstantly @tjlc @tjlcisthenewsexy @teapotsubtext @the-7-percent-solution @jenna221b

omg hahahaha– I was looking up a plot summary to see if I could make any connections. The plot is about a Sherman Holmes suffering a head injury and then believing he’s Sherlock Holmes adlhfsgh BUT

“The genres into which The Return Of The World’s Greatest Detective fits are comedy-drama and mystery-suspense.”

Seems applicable to The Final Problem to me. 😉

Great find @nerfherding-smuggler, thanks for sharing. Viva La Coincidence! 😉

Please read if you are in BBCSherlock Fandom whether you are into Sherlock ARG theories or not – another perspective.

may-shepard:

mint-doesnt-have-an-account:

Okay, I have been at work all day but last night I had a discussion with someone who runs a blog about ARGs and it was very helpful. He may be reading this, I don’t know but if so, thanks – not naming so he doesn’t get spammed with questions. I will be paraphrasing from the conversation we had.

From his perspective, A Sherlock – The Lost Special ARG is happening right now whether it is BBC official or not. A fan-run ARG is still an ARG. We are playing something even if it is just amongst ourselves. 

It could be something well organized or it could be poorly designed but either way, it still “exists” so maybe the shaming/calling out people who believe in playing it can stop.

However, he also said that when games leave too much ambiguity and room for massive faulty leaps in logic and that goes unchecked, that’s not a well designed game, games where it isn’t clear if they are happening can be harmful for folks who struggle with reality in the first place and can also leave people (like random sitemasters, twitter accounts, etc…) open to harassment if they accidentally get caught up in it. So this is something to consider if the current level of ambiguity goes on for more than just the first few weeks. It could be a “real” game, just not a very good one.

People not interested in playing, reading ARG stuff can stop reading now if you want – just wanted those concerned/annoyed with the whole thing to consider this perspective.

So now here is what we have to consider – 
Is there a cohesive fan-run ARG happening? What is really a part of it? What is actually gamejackers or trolls?

-the lost special instagram?

-the lost special troll page?

-The “Contact” Twitters/The “Contact” accounts here on Tumblr?

-The “moles”/anons who send coded messages?

-What else might be? (looking for replies here)

If it is an official BBC Sanctioned game there are obviously a lot more things to consider – that can be a separate post if anyone wants to make it but I think most of us already know what pages/accounts/etc… would be the first places to be looking for clues since we have already been doing that the whole time.

Additionally, Once in the ARG mentality we find ourselves wondering about every unusual thing we come across, any site that seems strange or account that reminds us of Sherlock. These things are certainly worth considering but with caution.

One question he said everyone should ask – as a general tip for those new to playing – is “If this thing is *not* part of the game, what is the risk?” are you putting yourself in physical danger? Giving out personal information? Identity theft risk? Throwing money away or leaving your credit card open to fraudulent charges? And so on.

Another thing to consider is tempering your expectations. Which is to say, would you still be interested in playing if it isn’t an official game that actually culminates in a Lost Special/4th episode? In other words are you cool with the real ARG being the friends we made along the way? I don’t mean to take sides one way or another but it is a good question to ask yourself because it may affect the way you approach things.

I think these are important things to consider so I would appreciate a reblog/tag if you have followers who post in the sherlock arg tag or if you have followers who speak out against it/have concerns.
Also, if reblogging, totally feel free to TL; DR it for your followers, I’m not great at brevity. Thanks

@warmth-and-constancy @worriesconstantly @may-shepard @whimsicalethnographies @arglocked @euphoriccalliope @doomsteady

Thanks for this! Good points. Tap out if you stop having fun, friends!