I cannot honestly believe the people who before they found out who Faith-Eurus really was they thought she and Sherlock would make a good romantic couple. Like just let a man and a woman be friends FFS neither of them were even in good mental places for that bullshit, she was suicidal and he was high and depressed and GAY af after being rejected by JOHN, literally all they did was hang out in London walking around and eating, literally he and John do that all the time but sometimes handcuffed together and sometimes while killing people for each other and sometimes with a candle on the table in a romantic restaurant and when Sherlock sees her with a cane all he can think about is John anyways and the night THEY met and ran around London like WTAF
Remember that some setlockers were jumping to that conclusion as they watched the bus stop scene being filmed? Just seeing a man and woman together must mean sexual/romantic interest. And the excuse that the writers are fucking us over didn’t stand, as the one thing I can say for sure, is that nowhere...NOT ONE TIME in BBC Sherlock have the writers ever written Sherlock as straight. Never. All the Irene and Molly scenes are a gay guy dealing with women who have the hots for him and he is intrigued by Irene and fond of Molly. The lady in red was clearly not real, even at setlock we knew it, and was more on a familial basis with Sherlock. And that was a conclusion way before we knew about a sister.
This just proves what we’ve been saying all along. If one of them was a woman, their romantic love wouldn’t even be in question. Eurus is playing fem!John in this scene and suddenly people are willing to see a romance. Shocker.
Tag: important
The problem with queerbaiting is not just that it’s wrong to bait LGBT people into watching your show so you make more money. It’s much, much worse than that.
When you put gay subtext into a movie but especially a tv show that goes on for years there will be LGBT people who insist that character A is gay or that characters B and C are in love. These LGBT people, full of hope and enthusiasm, will tell their family and friends and co-workers about these characters and their relationships and what they expect to happen. Most of us did that. We told others what we thought was going to happen to John and Sherlock, how they were in love, how they were in the closet, how they would be free after 130 years. And how many of our friends and and family and co-workers reacted skeptically or even negatively? Most of them, in some cases. Certainly too many.
By baiting and teasing a possible gay relationship again and again and then not following through, the writers not only didn’t represent LGBT people, they actively told all the people who didn’t believe us THAT THEY WERE RIGHT. They were right to think that John and Sherlock are just friends. They were right to think that representation isn’t important. They were right to think that friendship is purer than a romantic relationship. They were right to think that gay relationships shouldn’t be on tv anyway.
Queerbaiting makes thousands of homophobes feel validated.
I heard from people who’s own homophobic, adult family members openly mocked them for being stupid after this, so… Anything that subjects queer people (especially queer kids who maybe don’t have the power to leave less than ideal or even dangerous situations) to this kind of abuse is not okay with me.
If you’re not going to go there with two characters, then don’t load your series with common queer coding and romantic tropes, don’t direct your actors, and choose takes that further perpetuates the idea that the show we are watching is a romance. You can’t do that, especially on a show that has long hiatuses, and a very committed fan base, and not expect your audience to pick up on that, and form certain assumptions and expectations.
Also, anyone out there who is laughing at hurting queer people right now, who is victim blaming and saying it is their fault for seeing what was there and expecting and hoping for representation, while simultaneously defending these writers as blameless needs to check themselves.
Queerbaiting validates homophobes has got to be our rallying cry for representation. while LGBT ppl deserve to see ourselves reflected in mainstream fictional media, it’s equally as important for non-LGBT ppl to see!
esp in places where folks might not actually know any LGBT ppl- media is the only chance they have to understand us. it’s why representation matters. we deserve more than only villains being queer-coded. we deserve more than to only be the butt of jokes. we deserve to be shown as the humans we are.
@racheltalalay I wish the creators would listen to this and give some answers or explain themselves as well as you do about your role in T6T…
We don’t deserve being blocked by Mark in Twitter just for asking questions, being blocked by @SherlockedTheEvent in Twitter just for criticising, we didn’t deserve the BBC denial as reply to complaints which was totally uncalled for.
They’re smart enough to understand and expect our reaction, but they won’t ever acknowledge it because they know they failed and it’s wrong.
Okay it’s been like a month since “The Lying Detective” aired and honestly, I’m furious. I am seething at both the show and the fandom right now.
Not because of Johnlock; I don’t ship it and it was never gonna happen anyway. No, my issue is with John Hamish Watson.
This marks the second time that John has assaulted Sherlock, causing serious injury, and never been called out on it. In both “The Empty Hearse” and “The Lying Detective,” John is angry at Sherlock, with good reason. But does he express this anger in an acceptable way? Nope! Instead, he tackles Sherlock to the ground after he’s been tortured! And knocks him to the ground and kicks him repeatedly! And Sherlock just takes it, both times! That is not a healthy relationship in any way.
Now I don’t have a problem with the assault per se; I think it could have been an interesting storyline. John clearly has anger management issues and Sherlock has this martyr complex and if that had been addressed by the show in any way, I would have been totally into it. But here’s the part that pisses me off: John is never called out for it. John’s violent assaults on a weak and injured man are either laughed off or treated as a necessary part of the grieving process.
And even that would be fine; the show can’t address everything. But this fandom that’s so good at calling out queerbaiting and homophobia and racism and sexism in the show has been silent on the issue. The relationship of Sherlock and John is instead treated as healthy and positive. John never apologizes! Sherlock apparently thinks that his emotional and physical needs don’t matter compared to John’s grieving process and good opinion!
This is not just “manpain”. Sherlock in series 4 has serious issues that the show never addresses and fandom dismisses out of hand. Yes, it’s just a show, but if we’re going to be calling stuff out, why not call out this? Because what is shown in “The Lying Detective” is abuse, both emotional and physical, that is trivialized and dismissed. If Sherlock had taken the bullet for Mary and John reacted as he did to Sherlock, would the punching and kicking be as easy to dismiss?“ But this fandom that’s so good at calling out queerbaiting and homophobia and racism and sexism in the show has been silent on the issue. The relationship of Sherlock and John is instead treated as healthy and positive. John never apologizes! Sherlock apparently thinks that his emotional and physical needs don’t matter compared to John’s grieving process and good opinion! This is not just “manpain”. Sherlock in series 4 has serious issues that the show never addresses and fandom dismisses out of hand. Yes, it’s just a show, but if we’re going to be calling stuff out, why not call out this? Because what is shown in “The Lying Detective” is abuse, both emotional and physical, that is trivialized and dismissed. “
1895-doyle-and-bronte-obsessed:
I find it very frustrating to be a lgbtqia+ person in the Sherlock fandom right now because it feels like the Johnlockers have taken over this space and are not allowing anything other than tjlc exist. There are other readings, other possibilities, and they’re not all homophobic and heteronormative, they are not a delusion, they are not impossible. I am poliamorous myself. Seen a lot of positive representation of that, like, anywhere? There is more to representation than that One Single Ship that trumps all others.
Stop bombarding us, harassing us, sneering at us, ridiculing us, throwing nasty sarcasm at us, stop telling us we are wrong, stop presenting yourselves as the only ones who are allowed to be sad.
Let us exist. Let us enjoy. Let us grieve. We aren’t the enemy, we are your own community. A lot of us are angry too, are frustrated too. Things have gone to hell and we need a safe space, a safe lgbtqai+ space, just like you, where we can support each other, cheer each other up, and enjoy what we can after this very disappointing and hard-to-watch s4.
You need to try harder to find ways of expressing our anger that are not based on attacking anyone who disagrees with you. We do not deserve to be attacked in our own fandom. And we know you are being attacked too, people are harassing you, making fun of you, ridiculing you. You know how it hurts. So please, stay away from those who want to harm you, and don’t spread the hate any more. Stand with us and we’ll stand with you. There’s room for everyone.
I haven’t seen any of this, but I try to block out the bad parts of fandom (I know they exist, I’m not trying to say they don’t).
I am angry at the writers for the way they showed violence, misogyny, mental illness and – yes – for the way they queerbaited us. I am angry because of their disrespect.
But I’m not angry at the fandom (well, of course I’m angry at those who come randomly to my posts and tell me to stop whining or those who say wording criticism is a shame for fandom).
The point I’m trying to make is that we all should be careful to think of ourselves as individuals and not only part of a group. I am angry at the people mocking me but that doesn’t mean I’m angry at everyone disagreeing with me.
I think we should try to make the Sherlock fandom a more respectful and respected place again. I’m proud of so many things tjlc-ers have achieved and I want to be proud of tjlc and this fandom in general but there is behaviour I’m ashamed for and I think such behaviour throws a shadow of the beautiful things that happen in fandom every day.
I am proud to consider myself a part of tjlc because of the good things that came out of it, I want to stay proud.
The next time I see the “it wasn’t canon argument,” I’m going to run screaming at you with copies of the Criminal Law Amendment Act of 1885 and news articles detailing the treatment of convicted homosexuals in 19th Century England, and then continue screaming until you understand exactly what would have happened to Arthur Conan Doyle had he explicitly written Sherlock Holmes and John Watson as gay lovers.
So, I wrote this a bit cheekily last night, but now I want to expand on it with some actual facts. I see a lot of people saying, “Oh, back in the 19th century, Sherlock and John couldn’t openly be together.” And that’s true, but what’s at the heart of that sentiment is this one, “Arthur Conan Doyle couldn’t have written them openly together, because the general public would assume he was encouraging homosexuality, perhaps was even homosexual himself, and that would have been dangerous.” Here’s why.
In 1885, the British Parliament enacted section 11 of the he Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885, known as the Labouchere Amendment which prohibited gross indecency between males. It thus became possible to prosecute homosexuals for engaging in sexual acts where buggery or attempted buggery could not be proven. Note that they didn’t have to actually catch you in the act, they just had to suspect that you did it. During this time period, many notable men were prosecuted with disastrous results; Lord Arthur Chilton committed suicide after being implicated in Boulton and Park trial involving two transvestites and Oscar Wilde was sentenced to prison and hard labour after being found guilty.
Was there still a homosexual culture in England at the time? Yes, it was around this time that the movement began to flourish, with clandestine gatherings preceding the opening of the first gay pub, The Cave of the Golden Calf in 1912. There was even the beginnings of gay erotica and publishing, but it was still very much subversive and not openly distributed among the public.
The opposite of who Arthur Conan Doyle was; Sherlock Holmes increased subscriptions to The Strand magazine by 30,000. While Oscar Wilde, if not embraced, accepted, the consequences of his actions, Arthur Conan Doyle was not in a position to do that. He received a knighthood in 1902, he was involved in political campaigns and other civic work throughout his lifetime, and he had 5 children to support. He was not in a position to risk what an accusation of buggery would bring.
So, when you look at the situation, Arthur Conan Doyle was unable to go any farther than he had with Holmes and Watson in his original stories. Even if he wanted to. Even if he tried to fill it with as much subtext as possible, he would always have to be mindful of what would happen if he went to far.
This is why this argument bothers me so much. Were Sherlock Holmes in John Watson explicitly in a romantic relationship in the original stories? No, and no one is arguing that they were. Are we intended to imply, with the clues that were safe to include given the environment at the time, that it’s a possibility? That’s up to you to decide. But demanding that the only way a relationship could be legitimate is if it had been clearly stated by Arthur Conan Doyle is frustrating because it’s imposing today’s standards on a time period where they do not fit.
You know, I should probably clear something up. When I am saying that Mofftiss, and Gatiss, in particular, MAY have been partially motivated to write parts of Season 4 the way they/he did, to completely eradicate a johnlock reading (and believe me it was a choice, because you could tell they had to work hard narratively, and erase a ton of prior characterisation just to ensure Sherlock and John were torn apart, and got almost no screen time with just the two of them), I’m not saying that I think that Moffat or Gatiss personally stroll through tumblr reading our blogs, and hating us personally, or even that they give a shit about TJLC specifically. I’m not that self-centered and delusional, and I don’t even identify as a TJLCer, so I have no personal investment in that sense.
What I’m saying is that johnlock shipping became a big thing. It became such a big thing that the press picked up on it, and creators and the show’s leads were having erotic fan art shoved in their faces on every talk show appearance for awhile post S3, and were even asked to read mildly erotic fanfic aloud during S3 promotional events (which was even less fun for fandom creators than it was for anyone involved in the show, let me tell you; there is a special place in hell for people who break the 4th wall by forcing fan-created content on show creators, uncredited and without the fan artist’s permission). There were aslo people associated with the show who also had very personal issues with this, and chose to engage in very public run-ins with fans on Twitter surrounding the topic (Amanda, for instance, who started conflating johnlock and freebatch for reasons wholly her own). Further more, when Benedict was doing his TIG Oscar run, a big part of the press strategy to paint him as a family man and serious actor, was to throw his Sherlock fandom under the bus as a bunch of horny, teenage girls, or ridiculous middle-aged women who were out of control, and deserved censure.
So when I say that Mofftiss may have chosen to tone johnlock way down, and no-homo almost all of Season 4 as a means of pushing back against a johnlock reading, that is what I’m talking about. And when I talk about Gatiss having an impression of johnlock shippers being a bunch of horny, straight girls/women who simply want to objectify gay men, that’s where I think he got it from. Yes you don’t write to fandom expectation (though it isn’t unheard of), but if you see a segment of your fandom as distasteful, and the press has glommed onto that segment, and that segment alone, and keeps shoving it in your face, and making people involved with the show uncomfortable as a result, you probably do have it in the back of your mind, at the very least, when you are planning and writing. And I’ll add here that I am absolutely NOT throwing fandom under the bus for this. This was almost entirely a press issue (though certain cast member’s personal issues, which played out very publicly, and stans running to cast/creators on tumblr to tattle about tumblr fandom goings on, certainly contributed to the problem)
And yeah, I do think Mofftiss thought they were being very clever, or at the very least self-indulgent with TFP. Moffat admitted as much when he said that this season was just insane wish fulfilment for them. I do think that stuff about Sherlock’s childhood and backstory was in the back of their minds since the beginning, and that thoughts about introducing a secret, third sibling had been there since Season 3. I don’t think that they would write something they utterly hated, and put it out there just to spite a few thousand fans on the internet (though there are way more viewers who shipped johnlock on some level than just TJLCers on tumblr, fyi). They need to make money, and they have multiple international audiences to please.
So I think they had a lot of goals they wanted to reach this season. I think that they were afraid they wouldn’t get the chance to make a 5th season. Many people associated with the show voiced that concern. So, I think they tried to cram all the ideas they originally had for 6 episodes into 3. As a result, nothing was really handled with the skill and delicacy it deserved, and nothing was given the time it deserved. I also think they just got too confident and lazy with their writing (all the scripts came late, which suggests they left them to the last minute). I feel like they decided to retool the Mary character at the last moment, for some reason (I’ll leave everyone to their own deductions there), and what they ended up with was a bloody mess.
So anyway, yes, there were a myriad of factors at play, but I do think that one of those factors was a desire to damp down johnlock shipping, and I think that was for many reasons, one of those being the creator’s perception of and distaste for johnlock shipping fans, due to press coverage and interaction with creators and cast during the post-S3 period.
In thinking about how we ended up with S4, and also feeling, as @sussexbound does and many others, that a part of the decision to “redeem” Mary and to keep John and Sherlock “bros” and far apart (so far apart that it’s been devilishly difficult to find good frames of them together for editing purposes, mostly I get the back of John’s head when he’s allowed in the same frame as Sherlock at all), I keep coming back to the interview Mark Gatiss gave in Gay Times February 2011. I’m sure we have all read it but it really says it all in terms of how he views the online fanwork creating and consuming fandom:
“The obsession, particularly online, with the homoerotic tension between Sherlock and Doctor Watson… The template for us was [TPLOSH], which deliberately plays with the idea that Holmes might be gay. We’ve done the same thing, deliberately played with it although its absolutely clearly not the case. He’s only a brain, ‘everything else is transport’ to him and John clearly says ‘I’m not gay, we’re not together.’ . . [Today people] assume they’re lovers. That’s obviously such fun to play with…What’s amazing is, it doesn’t matter how many times you say they’re not going to kiss, they’re not together, they love each other but that’s the point, its the single most imperishable friendship in the whole of English literature that’s the way it works, it’s totally unspoken that they love each other in a way that men can do but they’re not gay for each other. But it doesn’t matter how many times you say that, an entire forest of dirty fiction [*n.b. this, from the author of The King’s Men!*] has arisen as a result. And long may it continue, I don’t know what it’s about. (On not having read any of that particular fiction:) I honestly haven’t because that way madness lies [laughs], I’m very aware of it, God I’m aware of it because people come and talk about it every time we do any kind of event… Anything like that has a kind of slash element and its an interesting thing because you’re brought up on the idea that heterosexual men get off on the notion of lesbians but the flip side of it is just as powerful, particularly I think for girls of a certain age. The idea of two sexy men getting it on is a really powerful aphrodisiac.”
The infamous BFI screening mentioned in this post was also the event where the Q & A moderator exchanged contemptuous texts with friends before the event, deeming the largely female fans queueing up as “virgins.” That was just the beginning of a debacle that had Mark Gatiss sneering magesterially as BC and MF stumbled through the fanwork reading thrust upon them under false pretenses.
Things only went downhill from there as between the creators and the online fan community, culminating in the withanaccent article. Many fans probably don’t know that prior to S4 airing, the director of Ep 1 TST publicly supported a tumblr that was set up for the sole purpose of trying to “educate” johnlockers and especially tjlc-ers as to the error of their ways. Turns out we should have seen that as a clear sign of things to come by the end of S4.
I’m not making this post to say we should have seen it coming. There were a thousand ways that fans were misled by acting, directing, editing, costuming, music, and set design. But I think we have to agree that the evidence is there for those who review our history to see that S4 was indeed in part intended to be a direct refutation of the vision for Sherlock and johnlock that so many of the the largely female online fan base hoped for.
Genre Theory And Implicit Contracts
This is a very interesting article by Henry Jenkins on “Genre Theory and Implicit Contracts,” making use of Alec Austin’s “Implicit Contracts”… namely author/reader contracts. There are several points in there which I thought particularly intriguing and fitting for a discussion on Sherlock.
The idea of the implicit contract between author and reader is basically as this one…
The typical exchange involved in entertainment media might be modeled thusly:
The Audience offers the Provider
– Their time
– Their attention
– And sometimes (e.g. movies, cable TV) their money.
The Provider offers the Audience
– Entertainment
– And the delivery structure they expect.
Whenever an entertainment provider violates the implicit contract
created by the audience’s expectations (through intrusive advertising or
clumsy product placement, for example), they risk alienating their
audience.There is the exchange of goods. If it is the blatant money/entertainment or something deeper doesn’t matter. The point is: both must give something, and the relationship is rendered contractual because of the involvement of the exchange of goods. If it weren’t an exchange of goods depending on circumstances, it’d be either a gift or theft.
To further detail theories about author/reader contracts specifically in the media environment, legal theory is employed with the conclusion that
The contract implied in fact, in which “the parties have entered into no
formal agreement but comport themselves in relation to one another in
was that could only be explained by the existence of the requisite
contractual intentions” is a much better model for understanding the
relationship: Audience members would not waste their time or attention
on an entertainment product unless it had been presented in a way that
suggested it would entertain them. While such contracts have no legal
force, the perception that their terms have been violated will typically
cause both social and economic consequences.Of course the problem is that
here, “each audience member’s subjective experience of the entertainment will
determine whether they feel the contract’s terms have been fulfilled or
not”; yet even the very “formalism of law itself is a discursive construct based on the
fiction that contextual knowledge is not required to interpret the
“unambiguous” terms of a contract.” Furthermore,Creators and producers who are concerned about the risk of triggering
such an audience backlash over a perceived violation of the implicit
contract should be aware that marketing and creative choices can do a
great deal to shape both a property’s audience and the terms on which it
will be received.Sounds familiar?
Of course the finer details of reader interpretation and reception are without definite influence on part of the producer, but as mentioned, marketing and creative choices impact the manner of reception drastically. Further, if we include Umberto Eco’s writings, the picture is complete: a text has a transparent intention that was authorially written into the text. You can’t interpret something in a text that the textual framework does not offer you. Plus, knowledge of the producers’ (other) works will likewise impact your expectations of the follow-up product.
All those Chekov’s guns Mofftiss use in Sherlock? Violations of the contract. As was discussed in this amazing thread here, likewise the inclusion of huge emotional moments for the characters in a show whose plot is driven by character and relationship development become Chekov’s guns. The producer markets the product in such a way as will impact reception and then proceeds to produce and offer the product in such a way that builds towards a fulfillment of the conflicts showcased in the marketing,…
only not to deliver? Mate, that is a violation of the contract in the most basic and fucked up form ever. What story are you writing, if not this? How is the repeated inclusion of huge moments that forever go unresolved a mark of genius or good writing? Because I don’t see it. I see it, more generally, not just as queerbaiting but authorial baiting of readers to the worst. Yes, of course this gives you as reader a lot of space to explore the product in your fan works.
But readers shouldn’t have to be doing ALL the work that the author’s product refuses to do.
But you know, I suppose we should have seen it coming. TGG’s resolution in ASiB as a phone call could have been an amusing one-time thing. But then we got TRF handled like this in TEH…. and the pattern begins, and it unfolds to an incredibly daring, yet ultimately disappointing level throughout S3.
The work Sherlock needs to do… man, the pile is so huge it will fall on all our heads. Rest assured that at some point your audience will feel quite alienated and will follow up on that alienation.
You can only continue this trend for so long.
idk who might be interested in this. maybe @byebyefrost @myspecialhell @isitandwonder?
Thank you @wssh-watson for substantiating this discussion.
“But readers shouldn’t have to be doing ALL the work that the author’s product refuses to do.”
Yes! We shouldn’t be left to speculate that it was all a dream from S3 onwards, that there will be a fourth episode, that it was all fake and the real S4 will somehow step forward.
How badly did you fuck up if your fans retreat to those excuses to still be able to love something that became very important in their lifes?!
It’s nice to be intrigued to speculate, butit’s awful if you are forced to do so to keep our sanity.
And they knew this would happen. They even talked about calling TFP “Backlash”. Remember what Gatiss said in the 4 minute special shown at the TAB screenings in the US in December? That they were not sure if the audience would like where they were going with the show and that they needed the fans support to continue (I’m paraphrasing). Well, innocent, happy times, when we speculated that would mean Johnlock becoming canon. Who’d thought we’d get killer sister Eurus on Shutter Island and desexualised Parentlock with a Mary voiceover?!
We thougth they were clever, we believed in them, we thougt all the flaws would lead up to some grant reveal, emotional growth, exposing an intricate plan from the beginning.
Nope.
Did they really think that we would be so blown away by the silly plot and brutal effects of TFP that we wouldn’t mind the large plot holes? Did they really think we would be so loyal as to stay with them until sometime in the unforseeable future S5 will appear, after they repeatedly insulted our perception and intelligence? Because we are so in love with their leads that the story doesn’t matter as long as Ben has nice curls and John… I don’t even know what happened to John in S4…
And why, pray tell, promoting the story like this: Who is Sherlock in love with?… I rememver writing after the I love you trailer that Mofftiss are not monsters, that they wouldn’t put something this promising into the trailer without delivering something along the line of Johnlock. Little did I know…
They saw it coming but still upped the ante. They were playing their game – and they lost it.
And thinking about what they did with S4 and especially with TFP – with eyes wide open as it seemed – I’m not that excited for the possibility of an S5.
Yes, absolutely. It’s so ridiculous–we all know how this is supposed to go because we know stories and this is gaslighting on a HUGE level: reality didn’t happen as you saw it; your perception of reality and your ability to read and evaluate things are consequently severely flawed.
Um, no. It isn’t. You just didn’t deliver and are now trying to hide that very obvious fact.
I think attempts at retconning s4 into something more positive is okay. Trying to save the narrative is okay. But it’s equally important to acknowledge the failure, because otherwise you’re just naively parroting the blind faith we had before that left us so completely stunted in the end… I also think that trying to downplay logical inconsistencies and plot holes shouldn’t be done. If you can’t guarantee narrative consistency, what part of your story am i supposed to buy, and like, and support?
There are about over a hundred texts like the one by Alec Austin out there. Literary theory is so fruitful for such a discussion. But despite this common consensus and logical conclusion, we’re still supposed to stop expressing our views and demanding better–why? Because most of us are women?
Right, forgot you could do that to a bunch of hysterical hormone driven women when the man is in a position of power. My bad.
I won’t let this go for a while.
Here’s the thing
Just because the writers turned out to be assholes doesnt mean i didn’t actually see that love story though???
Now it just feels like the wirter died and never finished it, or went through a suden conversion where they dont like their work anymore, or they got suddenly fired and someone new came in to make some new episodes that no longer feel like canon
It just feels like the show never got renewed for a 4th season so the plotline of pining-sherlock, closeted-john, evil-mary and secretly-alive moriarty just never got to close due to outside influence
I don’t AT ALL feel like ‘they were never going to get together’, ‘you misread it’ or ‘that wasnt the creators intent’
Because honestly i usually don’t give much of a shit about the writer of a story unless im interested in their other work, which i’m decidedly not interested in now.
like
I still read a bunch of ACD stories and saw love there
I still read a million fics and saw love
i still watched TPLOSH and saw love
like
Just because BBC Sherlock is DEAD doesnt mean Sherlock and John dont love eachother?
it just means i never get to SEE it
Which is awful
but we’ve all loved a show that died too early, or who fired its writers
So lets do what fandom has ALWAYS done
Finish the story ourselves
(((i think we just need a new tag))))
THIS. SO MUCH.
We weren’t blind, we listened and we heard right, and it’s up to us to write and paint and draw and blog and imagine the REAL ending to the story.
Exactly!
And dear, write down my words:
In the coming one hundred years, and I’m being pessimistic with the timing, someone’s going to do a new adaptation of ACD’s Sherlock Holmes, and you are going to see, with your own eyes, johnlock being canon in a big screen. It won’t be an art inside the fandom of an interpretation of the canon, that has it’s value, but it isn’t recognize. And believe me, the chances of the people involved with this project being old tjlcers, or johnlockers, aren’t low.
You think there’s a secret 4th episode. That’s GREAT. I agree, there were a lot of things that don’t make any sense in S4 and we could use some explaining. Don’t stop believing. 🌟
You don’t believe there’s a secret 4th episode. That is also GREAT. I agree Mofftiss are assholes and it’s hard to trust them. You don’t want to get your hopes up and get hurt again. 💖
Biggest reason for me to wish for a 4th ep: S4 lacked heart, was riddle with plot holes and I can’t believe they did that to the Three Garridebs
Biggest reason for me to not believe in a 4th ep: The horrible disappointment and Mofftiss themselves.
You think you’re a better fan because you’re in one camp or the other? Then fuck right off! We can believe in/hope for different things without being assholes to each other.
this is exactly where im at too, sandy
This is important!
This post (”What Moffat Doesn’t Understand About Grief”) fascinated me, because the author talks about Moffat’s fear of consequences–how he’ll introduce world-shattering grief, or sacrifice, or hurt, or change, in his Doctor Who characters’ lives, and then never follow up on it. There are no apparent consequences.
That’s exactly what makes BBC Sherlock feel so unresolved. We kept waiting for the consequences to come home, and they never did. There are huge things and subtler ones unaddressed, things that should have changed them in meaningful ways: Sherlock being tortured.
Mary shooting Sherlock. Sherlock nearly confessing his love on the tarmac. Sherlock overdosing on the plane, reading John’s blog. Mycroft begging John to take care of him. John attacking Sherlock after Mary’s death. John saying he wanted more than his marriage to Mary. John confronting Sherlock about his need for love. Mycroft lying to Sherlock about his sister.
The emotional stakes keep being upped, but there’s no closure. The things happen, there are tears or shouting, and then the story simply continues, without change, or growth, or discussion, or resolution. They end up in the exact same place as they began; 221B, two friends solving crimes and cleaning up after explosions, still more myth than men.
Emotional moments can’t be introduced just for the hell of it; they have to lead somewhere, mean something. Once I thought the authors had a plan. But now I think we’ll have to go on making our own meaning out of it all, through fanart and fic and meta and whatever means we have; for the sake of these characters’ sanity, and our own, and for some kind of truly happy ending.
All of this! As a writer, there are some WIPs that I’ve been refining for years because the emotional consequences must be dealt with and I didn’t want to go on as if nothing happened or slap-dash a cheap fix. We were told this season was about consequences, but was it, really?
This is a large part of what’s lead to Moffat’s wild popularity, I think. As a writer, he’s in the rather unusual and ambivalently enviable situation of his major weakness being a huge part of what draws readers (viewers) to his work, because it doesn’t become apparent until some time has passed that it is a weakness. It looks like a setup for a wonderful payoff… that doesn’t come.
I don’t think that anyone would claim that, as a writer, Moffat is very invested in *realism* – that much is true.
And yet, in a way… I think his approach as a writer is much truer to my experience of life than the above comments allow.
The emotional stakes keep being upped, but there’s no closure. The
things happen, there are tears or shouting, and then the story simply
continues, without change, or growth, or discussion, or resolution.Closure isn’t something guaranteed by real life, nor is resolution. Nor even discussion, since a lot of real people in this world are not comfortable discussing heavy emotional topics.
These are things fanfic writers and readers love because they are emotionally satisfying, not because they are honest or true to our lived experience. The idea that everyone will sit down and talk out their problems, and speak openly about their true feelings, and have epiphanies, and at last become mature, healthy, actualized, emotionally honest people – this is a fantasy. It’s a fantasy that comes from self-help books, not fairytales, but it’s a fantasy nonetheless.
I think one of the funniest and yet truest moments in all of Sherlock is this exchange:
SHERLOCK:
Well, we’re in a good place. It’s, um … very affirming.
JOHN: You got that from a book.
SHERLOCK: Everyone got that from a book.Here, Moffat is playing with this self-help fantasy – the idea that if you use the right words in the right order, that will somehow demonstrate proper emotional growth and maturity. When really it’s just using borrowed language to fulfill an appealing cliche.
We love this stuff in fanfic exactly *because* it rarely happens in real life. In real life, change happens, but it isn’t always change for the better. Growth happens, but not without a lot of backwards slippage into bad old habits, neuroses, and defense mechanisms.
One thing you can say about real life: things happen, the “story” continues, whether or not anyone has acheived closure or learned any valuable life lessons. We have no choice but to keep moving forward.
You all are perfectly entitled to see this narrative choice as a failure on Moffat’s part. Personally, I see it as an example of the way he consistently reaches for greater, larger truths about the human experience.
Ah, but while closure might not happen in reality,
consequences of some kind almost always do. Emotions do mean *something*, even
if it’s effed up and strangulated and comes out in involuntary behaviour while
never being spoken of. That was acknowledged to some extent in S1 and S1 – John
is clearly affected in some way by his war experience, whether you call it PTSD
or not – then largely abandoned in S3 and S4 – Sherlock seems to feel no
physical or psychological consequences of being tortured in Serbia.It seems pretty unlikely that Moffat is entirely unable to
grasp the dynamics of emotional consequence, but judging strictly by the end result they aren’t his strong
point or his interest. Once the audience for Sherlock was built, he was free to
shelve that element entirely in favour of those that play to his strengths. The
resolution of the S1 climax at the start of S2 was unsatisfying but it existed;
by contrast the resolution of the S2 climax at the start of S3 was
non-existent. That’s a step change from a world where certain conventions are
regarded, if half-heartedly, to one where they are ignored.In order to get something out of S3 and S4, I’ve taken to
regarding each episode as a self-contained AU – this seems to work pretty well,
and it does allow for that most positive of interpretations, the idea that each
episode contains its own set of truths. You do indeed get more emotional and
psychological truths per square inch if you freely contradict yourself, because
of the shifting and messy nature of those truths.Still, getting yourself into Moffat’s professional position
in highly commercial TV and then shifting your focus entirely to your own artistic
idiosyncrasies seems rather like reaching for your great truths from the top of
a stepladder while shouting ‘stepladders are for wimps!’Ok, fair warning, I am about to wade into some stuff that I am not an expert in. So people should feel free to correct me.
First off: If you like stories without any closure, where questions are not answered (even if the characters clearly know the answers to those questions), then great. I’m glad you enjoyed S4.
But it is entirely predictable that it was unpopular, and it has nothing to do with fanfiction.
Closure is not something people only want in fanfic. In Story: Substance, structure, style, and the principles of screenwriting by Robert McKee (often considered a Very Important Book when it comes to screenwriting), he identifies three types of plot: archplot, miniplot, and antiplot. He portrays them as three corners of a triangle. None of these are inherently good or bad, but he does note that the farther you get from archplot and closer to miniplot or antiplot, the less popular your story will be. People are drawn to archplot: clear cause and effect, external conflicts, linear time, consistent realities, a single, active protagonist, and… closed endings. Changing some of the variables moves you toward miniplot, changing others moves you toward antiplot.
Many successful movies move toward miniplot or antiplot by messing with one or two of these qualities. Some movies that are considered very high quality push hard in one of these directions – but these movies are generally not huge commercial successes.
Taking this frame and applying it to Sherlock, it’s easy to see why S4, and especially TFP, were very unpopular, even (maybe especially) with rabid fans of the show.
The first two seasons tended very strongly toward archplot. Timelines were messed with occasionally, but other than that, the show very clearly had a consistent reality where events were causal rather than coincidental (this is actually sort of the entire basis of Sherlock Holmes, or else his deductions don’t work); a single, active protagonist in Sherlock; external conflicts (cases to be solved); and closed endings. The few exceptions to this are the things that a lot of fans don’t like – for example, the pool scene being resolved by the coincidence of Moriarty receiving a phone call rather than by some active decision on the part of any of the characters.
S3 started to move away from the archplot, with many different decisions that work against each of these principles. Fans disagree about which of these decisions they like or dislike. Did you find the extremely nonlinear storytelling in TSoT fun, or confusing? Did you think that leaving the question of why they forgave Mary so easily open was a solid nod to realism, or sloppiness/inability to actually figure out an answer themselves? (Ha, guess which side I’m on.) Did you like that the conflicts became more internal, or do you miss the old school cases?
S4 (and TAB, but like honestly I barely remember what actually happened there so I’ma ignore it) basically threw everything about the archplot out the window (except, arguably, that Sherlock was still the single protagonist). And the thing about throwing everything out the window, all at once, especially in TFD, is that it didn’t even solidly go into the miniplot or the antiplot camp – it did it all. Which to many people made it seem like a mess of bad storytelling, rather than a calculated breaking of certain rules because they needed to be broken.
I think the thing that hit a lot of people the hardest was the move away from a consistent, causal reality. Sherlock Holmes has to have a consistent reality that obeys cause-and-effect in order to function as Sherlock Holmes. You throw in random factors that he couldn’t possibly have known about, memory-wiping, mind control, and things like that, and we’re not really telling a Sherlock Holmes story anymore.
But then when you couple that with open endings… Okay, open endings are realistic, but when suddenly nothing else in the show is realistic, even by its own universe’s standards, it’s extra-jarring and feels very out of place. There’s a reason open endings is over on the miniplot side and consistent realities is over on the anti-plot side: when you combine them, it feels less like they wanted to make it realistic and more like they went too far in making their universe inconsistent and just couldn’t resolve everything, or didn’t try hard enough at least.
Now I’m going to wander into my personal opinion, not anything McKee actually said… Personally, I think that the passive protagonist is the hardest of these non-archplot elements to pull off. It’s the one that’s most likely to kill your story all by itself, and the one you have to compensate for most carefully to make it work. It can certainly be done, and one well, but if you’re not careful you can have all the other elements of archplot and then have a passive protagonist drain all the life out of a story.
So in TFP, adding Sherlock’s passivity (he’s always reacting to what Eurus throws at him, rarely making his own decisions to move the plot along) to what is already a bit of a jumble of non-linear storytelling, inconsistent reality, lack of coherent cause-and-effect – it just makes the whole package harder to salvage for most viewers. Plus the conflicts are almost all internal. Yes, Eurus is an external opponent, but all the challenges she presents involve internal struggles. Which, honestly, absent all this other stuff could have been amazing! It’s possible that the sense of frustration and futility caused by combining this with the passive protagonist could have really been emotionally hard-hitting… if it weren’t combined with all of the above.
If all they’d done was leave lots of threads untied, lots of decisions unexplained, lots of plots hanging open, then (especially if they didn’t do it in a particularly methodical manner) people would probably still have a vague sense of dissatisfaction. When you combine with everything else, though, it starts to feel like they just got so distracted by their own cleverness that they forgot to tie things up, or didn’t even notice it was hanging open to begin with. (Especially given that in interviews before S4, they promised that lots of plot threads would be resolved. Were they lying, or did they actually think they did that?)
So basically: If you liked S4 and TFP in particular, good for you. It’s unconventional storytelling, that’s for sure, and I’m sure that alone attracts some people.
But it’s not at all surprising that it wasn’t popular. It’s not because we don’t like things that are “honest” or “true,” or because we read too much fanfic. It’s because they lured us in with episodes that were mostly structurally solid archplots (which, remember, archplot doesn’t mean trite or cliched – lots of really excellent writing is archplot), then threw literally all of it out the window this season. And it didn’t feel like they did it to be “honest” or for any other principled, sound storytelling reason. It felt like they did it because breaking rules is cool and clever, so they wanted to break all the rules just because they can.
Holy crap, the additions to this post are amazing.
What’s even worse about this unconventional storytelling–the unresolved, the open, the anti-plot–is the very *artificial* way in which the show ends: that voiceover and montage. It is jarring. And given to us by a character that doesn’t deserve it and removes us from the protagonists.