myladylyssa:

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welovethebeekeeper:

Well the comments from the US con CONFIRMED that the creators were queerbaiting. They state they had no intention of writing a romance, yet their product proved otherwise. They clearly were WELL AWARE of the growing johnlock fandom by s2, and could have redirected the show very easily in s3. However they chose to give us a clearly gay Sherlock and a pining, regretful bi John. S3 was overt, convinced many casuals that Sherlock was gay and in love with John, and set up expectations of John’s marriage breaking down and the possible romance of the two leads. If people didn’t see this in s3 it was a choice not to see it.

Sadly we are not at a point in our LGBTQ visibility as to where the uproar would be heard via the media (we tried) it appears that the LGBTQ press and advocacy agencies have a prejudice against fandoms. Nothing new there, we have battled that constantly for decades. The BBC closed ranks and defended their show, ignorant of any of the facts and refusing to consider our complaint. As a publicly funded organisation, I say Shame on You BBC! 

However, for our own sanity, our wellbeing, we need to move on. It’s a confirmed reality what the creators did in this show, and we learn from it and try to prevent it occuring in the future. Extensive post mortems on the dichotomy of what was delivered on screen versus what the creators have said is futile. They have chosen to opt for revisionist history of their show. End of. We need to see academic papers on why the creators could still deliver a clearly queerbaiting top drama show and get away with it, we need discussion forums in the LGBTQ   Community to examine this issue. And we need fandom studies to carry on with the question of female fandom visibility and worth.

I firmly believe Ben played Sherlock as gay and in love with John. I also firmly believe, and praise, Martin Freeman for giving us a John in love, confused and repressed due to how the character was written, but still desperately in love and  craving physical intimacy with Sherlock. THAT my friends must have been a tough endeavour to carry off under the nose of the showrunner. I believe Martin is as disgusted as we are over s4. I believe any further Sherlock projects will be a hard sell to Martin, and thus Ben. They remain my heros, for their portrayals of Sherlock and John they desearve all our respect. 

I have said this before, but– I have never seen greater indication that the show’s writers/producers and their actors were never on the same page. Their poor communication skills rival their Sherlock and John’s.

There have been quotes from the beginning about Benedict asking for backstory information..something any decent actor will do (and he is a fantastic actor), and having it be denied him. Or belittled that he should need to ask. And the fiasco regarding having Amanda play Mary while being deliberately misled.

The result: the actors formed their own headcanon as best they could. And it was accurate. But the script seemed to never be in synch with it as it morphed and they struggled to make it coherent.

I can’t imagine working with such poor feedback. Or such a random process. Or having the author change my entire backstory ( not just Mary’s but Sherlock’s as well)

Yes…I write on the fly, because I am a lazy writer and I am a complete amateur. I don’t plan things through well because, frankly, it is my hobby, not my dayjob, nor am I the presumably well-paid lead writer on a show that is watched by the world. People warned me about these guys, and I didn’t know better.

But I will always love this show because of the actors and the character’s hearts…no matter what ridiculous curves they were thrown.

It’s an excellent sandbox for fic writers. Pick and choose from it as you will to move the creative process forward. But I never imagined two men who loved Holmes and Watson as much as I did would stray this far for little reason except adding action scenes, physical abuse, and cheap repressed-memory drama.

Great comment!

The queerest thing (ah!) about the whole thing is that, if they’ve never intended to turn subtext into text, then we have screenwriters with split personalities.

The problem about Sherlock’s handling of this is the exact opposite of Doctor Who where:

• Moffat insured that Jenny and Vastra were the ‘real’ Dr. Waston and Sherlock Holmes, two married lesbians;
• Moffat created a lesbian companion telling everyone who wants to listen, ‘It’s not a matter of being praised, the correct thing to say should be What took you so long?”’

Gatiss who supposedly tries to bring more LGBT representation and who told people again and again how TPLoSH shaped his writing and how he’s always realized that Sherlock was in love with Watson but it remained desperatedly unspoken.

We also have appaently Moffat telling us rebooting a story should only be done if you want to correct an injustice.

We’re at a crossroad where we need to seriously consider that they have double-standards. Like, serious double-standard, mythomania and split personality.

For how great Ben and Martin are, they can’t get away with rewriting the script. Mofftiss let them play their characters like that.

I do believe there is hubris at work, every author literally plays God when they write so that’s nothing new. But this time I don’t think they should get away with that.

It’s okay to move on, I understand perfectly. We should move on.

But as long as authors get away with this, as long as we let them, it will inevitably happen again because this is a scam and they will always be able to walk away.

I so agree. Like someone mentioned yesterday, they turned the whole atmosphere surrounding the show toxic for Queer people, young and old, and it’s also true, that those two are working on another project together. My stomach turns just thinking about what they might butcher next. It may sound petty, but I don’t want them hired as writers, or entrusted with any more show running. They simply can’t be trusted.

I am writing about this academically, presenting a version next month, still working through all this. My head spins.