At the cocktail party our group talked to Steven Moffat and apparently
he is writing a play at the moment! He has no idea if it will ever see
the light of day, but he’d never written a play before so decided to
before him n Mark start properly writing Dracula to hone his writing a
bit and just to give it a go. Sue said she’d read the first half and
said it was good and really enjoyed it, but Steven of course played that
down by saying ‘she’s my wife! Of course she has to say it’s good! !’
The crazy thing is that this would make so much sense in the context of what they did in S4.
I’m trying to imagine how badly Moffat would want to out-subtext Jeremy Paul’s The Secret of Sherlock Holmes, and… it’s a lot.
@devoursjohnlock yeah we were talking about that with @waitedforgarridebs! Imagine Ben channeling Jeremy. And this is a perfect thing for them to do in this moment of the narrative. The possibilities for that plot! And the sheer chance to witness the johnlock dynamic live onstage would be A LOT.
@marcespot Seriously, so many possibilities! If they decided to do this, I bet it would be in the style of Paul’s one-off: deep, deep subtext, a parallel recap of events. It might answer all of our timeline questions. And, as always, 99% of the audience would remain completely unaware of what they just watched.
@marcespot@devoursjohnlock it would be such a logical reason for why the end Montage of TFP was the actual set crew creating a stage from scratch in front of all of us.
Diagram from John Yorke’s ’Into the Woods’ (classic book about narrative structure).
I’ve read a lot of excellent analysis of Sherlock, but none that explicitly addresses narrative structure in terms of acts. If we assume each act is a series, and each episode is one step within each act, this does seem to fit with Sherlock falling in love with John. (The use of ‘problem’ is unfortunate terminology in this case, but if we consider that Sherlock sees emotion as abhorrent, then it is a ‘problem’ in that sense. Bear with me.) I’m not suggesting that the writers have deliberately explicitly followed this structure (Moffat has said he hates discussing structure and just tells the story), but that (as Yorke explains) good writers cannot help following this structure because THIS IS HOW STORIES WORK.
Anyway.
Act/series one: from no knowledge of what love feels like to a knowledge of it as he and John meet and become close, saving each other’s lives.
Act/series two: from a refusal to acknowledge that he loves John (separating himself from him physically frequently in ASiB, eg the hitchhiker scene, Battersea Power Station where he is present but unseen), to an acknowledgement of it (TRF).
Act/series three: Experimenting with the knowledge – testing out John’s feelings (eg in the tube carriage in TEH), key knowledge about John (take your pick from everything in TSoT), and experimenting with key knowledge of problem (making sacrifices for John and Mary).
Act/series four: Consequences. Fear. Anxiety. (All of which fits with what we’ve been told.) Full knowledge (an actual confession of love?). The worst point (Mary-related? Moriarty? Mycroft? All of them? Gaaaahh).
BUT…
Act/series five: Final choice (John vs some major aspect of The Work?), final battle (Moriarty/another antagonist kidnaps John, perhaps?), then mastery of knowledge (canon Johnlock relationship, throwing of confetti, uncorking of champagne, much merriment throughout the land).
If anyone has more on this idea I’d love to read it.
Tagging a couple of excellent people below for your thoughts if you’re interested.
This is John being interrogated by Greg in a tiled room. It reminds me vaguely of a well or a swimming-pool. Is there a guard behind him (who looks a bit like Mycroft)? The whole scene is completely surreal. We have no idea where this is meant to take place. Surely not NSY.
If Greg was just interviewing John for information, there would not be a guard at the door. If John was accused of assault, the lighthearted convo does not make sense. If this was Mycroft in the back, he could not have been at 221b at the same time, conducting a search of the flat.
Which leads me to the conclusion that this is not real. Not the interview, not the preceding scene in the morgue.
@gosherlocked I think this scene was meant to be a hint about Magnussen being still around somehow. But like you said, it feels surreal… and what’s with the voice recorder? Seemed like there should be better technology in the interrogation room these days, like… a camera? Culverton Smith gave me an 80s vibe for some reason… other than his cereal killer commercial, everything else felt… dated?
Interesting that this video is seemingly all to do with Sherlock’s deductions about Mary. VERY INTERESTING:
What’s RED doing here in stuff about Mary? Red flag? REDBEARD? Red herring? And don’t you love how the ‘kind-hearted’ gets aligned to:
That’s right folks, you too can be a KIND-HEARTED ASSASSIN, what a niche job description. But wait!
What’s that you’re deducing, Sherlock? Kind-hearted and a sociopath?
And I especially love how the deduction GOOD MEMORY gets split so just MEMORY remains, especially considering all the unreliable narrator stuff around s4- and that doesn’t even get into the possible TD12 shenanigans. (x)
^And all with that ‘loving’ Christening scene… are our “”good memories””” of Mary unreliable? (Spoiler: yes 😉 )
I mean, red means rouge in french… Just like the march 8th thing in TLD
*eye emoji* NICE, also her RED COAT of villainy. (x)
Nice, all those wet jobs for the CIA *eye emoji* (x)
Is that redhead Amanda or Sian because I would totally buy that this is supposed to be “E” from the bus and that is absolutely terrifying that Mary could be so similar looking.
It’s definitely Amanda! She posted the red head wig on her twitter, and a photo of her in a long dark haired wig on instagram. (x)
Did we ever see her with that wig during her montage of being Bourne? I just don’t remember if we did or not but if not, then I’m calling the bullshit police.
Dark haired wig: yes… red haired wig: NO! *infinite eye emojis*
swimmingfeelsinajohnlockianpool pointed out that the line “Softer, Sherlock” sounds like it was delivered by Mrs. Hudson instead of Eurus and I wanted to make an edit.
If there are any other fucky audio bits you want me to edit as I have here, send them my way.
like i hate this but it sounds like the effect on the voice of the lady in the vivala.me vid
I may be crazy but it sounds almost like Mary to me?!
I can hear it being Mary! It’s just not fucking churros…
FRIENDLE REMINDY THAT THE FAKE SUICIDE OF GENIUS EPISODE WAS FOLLOWED BY MHR WHICH WAS A SECRET EPISODE SDJFHGFD
they dropped that shit on youtube on christmas morning without so much as a how do you do
THIS IS TRUE. WE HAD NO IDEA IT WAS HAPPENING AND NEARLY DIED WHEN IT DID.
I kept forgetting this myself but actually it was announced Dec 3, 2013 that there would be a minisode. We thought it’d be the 25th so the 24th was a surprise but yeah. Still…could be announced Mar 8.
Oh was it? Huh! Well, I was JUST entering fandom around this time, so easy enough for me to not remember that 🙂
Well, I just googled how a tranquilizers gun looks like and I got this photo.
And yeah, I know there’d be many more types but looking again it’s even the same. The long thing. And looking back to Eurus’s gun, for me it doesn’t look like to a “tranquilizer gun”.
So make your deductions.
So it always has that long shape for shooting the tranquilizer.
Okay, so Mycroft is very obviously holding a pen in TST, and John is very obviously holding a pen in TFP, is there anyone holding a pen in TLD? ‘Cause then maybe we could assume TST is Mycroft’s “fixing” of Mary’s murder as evidenced by his “fixing” of Sherlock killing Magnussen at the beginning; TFP is John’s mind after he gets shot; so presumably Sherlock would be writing TLD, but was he ever holding a pen in that one? Does this make sense?
isn’t ‘Faith’ holding a pen, both as Faith herself and maybe even as Eurus? I’m sure she has a pen quite a few times – definitely as John’s therapist, if nothing else. I can’t recall whether she has one when talking to Sherlock as his ‘client’ though
Yes I thought about that like right after I posted this. So it could be her telling it? But that doesn’t make all that much sense to me unless she doesn’t actually exist and is, in fact, just a warped version of Sherlock himself.
it could just mean that sherlock and john aren’t narrating TLD and someone else is. eurus is also likened to the east wind, and people have been writing metas about how mary is actually the east wind so maybe it’s mary that’s narrating TLD?
OOH now that I like. And someone else pointed out that Smith is holding a pen at one point; it seems to be a villain writing episode.
yeah maybe it’s literally just a skewed narration from the Bad Guys, which makes sense, sorta, as both John and Sherlock lose their shit in … odd ways during that episode
Yes yes could be. My brain was not meant for meta lmao
Someone is definitely writing it because they kept talking about how Sherlock rewrote that story A Meeting in Samarra all throughout TST which kinda didn’t really have much to do with the content of the episode, unless Mary is the merchant somehow.
And then some very clever, detail oriented people, or the True Sherlockians as I call them, found that on the floor of 221B when the flat was blown up was the wedding song Sherlock wrote for John and Mary. That’s a pretty big inconsistency since they made sure to show us that Sherlock left the sheet music at the wedding for John and Mary to keep. So it shouldn’t have been in the flat at all. Unless they forgot to show us John moving back into the flat. Which is pretty important to the entire show so I doubt they would have.
The whole thing was screwy so I don’t know.
Yes it just makes sense to me for TST to have been Mycroft’s rewriting and TFP to be John’s but TLD confuses me.
tbh if you look at the way john acts just before he supposedly attacks sherlock, he’s being super soft and gentle?? i just find it hard to believe he went from ‘[softly] he’s not laughing sherlock’ to hitting him at all, like, i don’t think he did tbh
i was just wondering about this the other day and then i remembered like, in HLV when john is talking about what would happen if sherlock got dragged away by security and he mentions that sherlock would get his head kicked in? because hes upset with sherlock? but he never actually hits him or anything in that episode- i think it’s similar. he did probably hit him to stop him but he likely didnt go as far as is depicted, he was just like imagining it or making it up because he was upset with sherlock, like in HLV. this is all the more likely to me bc of the fact that john is explicitly telling us what happened here, like we know for SURE this is john’s retelling, also like that moment in hlv
i’m suddenly convinced of mary alive and manipulating them via td12 based solely on the line “hypnotizing, mesmerizing me, she was everything i dreamed she’d be”
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